Comments on: Ron Paul Versus Government http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/ Reality-based political commentary Fri, 08 May 2026 01:45:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: D-DAY http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15926 D-DAY Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:38:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15926 Almost a great article. I just wish once when a liberal require correction that the correction can be made without saying; (Well, the republican do it too.) I never hear (the democrats do it too) when libs find fault in a republican. Just once! Almost a great article. I just wish once when a liberal require correction that the correction can be made without saying; (Well, the republican do it too.)
I never hear (the democrats do it too) when libs find fault in a republican.

Just once!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15917 Michale Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:16:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15917 <I>FEMA only was "prepared" because Irene had been hyped to hell and back.. :D</I> Which is not to denigrate or castigate *FEMA*... FEMA did it's job very well and will likely to continue doing it's job very well.. It's the political leaders and the media who hyped Irene to hell and back, albeit for different reasons... The politicians, so they can "save the American People from the catastrophic monster that was Irene" (H/S) and the media because they wanted ANOTHER "doomsday" scenario to report on.. Irenageddon??? Irenocolpsye??? Michale....... FEMA only was "prepared" because Irene had been hyped to hell and back.. :D

Which is not to denigrate or castigate *FEMA*... FEMA did it's job very well and will likely to continue doing it's job very well..

It's the political leaders and the media who hyped Irene to hell and back, albeit for different reasons...

The politicians, so they can "save the American People from the catastrophic monster that was Irene" (H/S) and the media because they wanted ANOTHER "doomsday" scenario to report on..

Irenageddon??? Irenocolpsye???

Michale.......

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15915 Michale Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:05:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15915 No, we're remembering the same FEMA The same FEMA that didn't have the capability to pick up the slack after the State and Local governments dropped the ball... If you want to fault FEMA for that, that's your prerogative... FEMA did *IT'S* job fine... It just couldn't handle the State's and Local's job as well... Michale..... No, we're remembering the same FEMA

The same FEMA that didn't have the capability to pick up the slack after the State and Local governments dropped the ball...

If you want to fault FEMA for that, that's your prerogative...

FEMA did *IT'S* job fine... It just couldn't handle the State's and Local's job as well...

Michale.....

]]> By: akadjian http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15911 akadjian Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:16:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15911 <i> And FEMA under Bush *WAS* effective as far as it's responsibilities went. </i> You seem to remember a totally different FEMA. If they were effective during Katrina, they had an awful funny way of showing it. <i> Of course, it goes without mentioning that the State and Local agencies were primarily Democrat... :D </i> Like I said ... Right vs. Left, Right vs. Left, Republicans good, Democrats bad, Obama bad, Obama bad, Obama bad, the Hysterical Left, Hysterical Left ... broken record, broken record, broken record :) -David And FEMA under Bush *WAS* effective as far as it's responsibilities went.

You seem to remember a totally different FEMA.

If they were effective during Katrina, they had an awful funny way of showing it.

Of course, it goes without mentioning that the State and Local agencies were primarily Democrat... :D

Like I said ... Right vs. Left, Right vs. Left, Republicans good, Democrats bad, Obama bad, Obama bad, Obama bad, the Hysterical Left, Hysterical Left ... broken record, broken record, broken record :)

-David

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15910 Michale Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:13:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15910 David, Don't get me wrong.. I am all for chucking the Right vs Left meme and discuss issues as AMERICANS rather than as Republicans, Democrats or Independents.. Unfortunately, in the here and now, everything *IS* a Right Vs Left issue... Can you name me an issue that both Democrats and Republicans leadership agree on?? I don't mean faux agreement to score political points. I don't mean pie in the sky, Pollyanna or obvious agreement such as "terrorism is bad"... I mean real, honest and unequivocal agreement on policy issues that affect us in the here and now..... Michale..... David,

Don't get me wrong..

I am all for chucking the Right vs Left meme and discuss issues as AMERICANS rather than as Republicans, Democrats or Independents..

Unfortunately, in the here and now, everything *IS* a Right Vs Left issue...

Can you name me an issue that both Democrats and Republicans leadership agree on??

I don't mean faux agreement to score political points. I don't mean pie in the sky, Pollyanna or obvious agreement such as "terrorism is bad"...

I mean real, honest and unequivocal agreement on policy issues that affect us in the here and now.....

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15909 Michale Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:04:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15909 <I>The issue is about effective vs. non-effective. </I> And FEMA under Bush *WAS* effective as far as it's responsibilities went.. <I>The end result was that you had an agency that didn't take Katrina seriously and wasn't prepared. </I> Nope, sorry.. That's not how it went.. FEMA was perfectly prepared for IT'S responsibility for Katrina... The problem was that State and Local agencies dropped the ball and were not prepared for THEIR part of the responsibility.. By the time this was realized, FEMA tried to fill the vacuum left by State and Local agencies and THAT is when FEMA failed.. FEMA performed THEIR responsibilities perfectly. It's only when FEMA was forced to pick up the slack left by State and Local authorities that things fell apart... Of course, it goes without mentioning that the State and Local agencies were primarily Democrat... :D <I>Under Obama, the agency seems to have much better leadership because he believes in effective government. FEMA was prepared. </I> FEMA only was "prepared" because Irene had by hyped to hell and back.. :D It's easy to be prepared for a TS when you have been telling the public it's going to be a Cat 5 monster.. Hell, Irene was a minimal Cat 1 at landfall.. Here in FL, we don't even get out of bed for a Cat 1... :D Regardless, my only point was how the tune changes from the Right and the Left when the administration changes from Right to Left.. :D If it was a FEMA "LEADERSHIP" issue, as you and Liz claim, then the entire agency shouldn't have been castigated and denigrated as it was under Bush and praised to high heaven under Obama... The fact that it WAS the agency simply shows that it was partisan Right vs Left and NOT a leadership issue.. "Simple logic" -Dr Leonard McCoy :D Michale..... The issue is about effective vs. non-effective.

And FEMA under Bush *WAS* effective as far as it's responsibilities went..

The end result was that you had an agency that didn't take Katrina seriously and wasn't prepared.

Nope, sorry.. That's not how it went..

FEMA was perfectly prepared for IT'S responsibility for Katrina...

The problem was that State and Local agencies dropped the ball and were not prepared for THEIR part of the responsibility..

By the time this was realized, FEMA tried to fill the vacuum left by State and Local agencies and THAT is when FEMA failed..

FEMA performed THEIR responsibilities perfectly. It's only when FEMA was forced to pick up the slack left by State and Local authorities that things fell apart...

Of course, it goes without mentioning that the State and Local agencies were primarily Democrat... :D

Under Obama, the agency seems to have much better leadership because he believes in effective government. FEMA was prepared.

FEMA only was "prepared" because Irene had by hyped to hell and back.. :D

It's easy to be prepared for a TS when you have been telling the public it's going to be a Cat 5 monster..

Hell, Irene was a minimal Cat 1 at landfall.. Here in FL, we don't even get out of bed for a Cat 1... :D

Regardless, my only point was how the tune changes from the Right and the Left when the administration changes from Right to Left.. :D

If it was a FEMA "LEADERSHIP" issue, as you and Liz claim, then the entire agency shouldn't have been castigated and denigrated as it was under Bush and praised to high heaven under Obama...

The fact that it WAS the agency simply shows that it was partisan Right vs Left and NOT a leadership issue..

"Simple logic"
-Dr Leonard McCoy

:D

Michale.....

]]> By: akadjian http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15908 akadjian Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:32:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15908 <i> Under Obama, FEMA is the cat's meow and the Left rushes to her aide. FEMA can do no wrong.. Under Bush, FEMA was the villain and was the agency that could do no right. </i> I think you're mischaracterizing once again. It's not about Right vs. Left. The issue is about effective vs. non-effective. President Bush and many Republicans don't believe in helping out people during disasters. See Eric Cantor's recent comments on the hurricane. So they appoint friends to lead these agencies rather than people who are qualified. The end result was that you had an agency that didn't take Katrina seriously and wasn't prepared. If your end goal is to get rid of government (as many conservatives want), there is a natural conflict of interest. You don't want government to succeed. You want government to do a POOR job. It's like appointing a CEO who doesn't believe in the company and wants to sell it. He has no incentive to even try. Under Obama, the agency seems to have much better leadership because he believes in effective government. FEMA was prepared. But you keep beating that Right vs. Left horse. It seems like about all you have left (ok, bad pun) ;) -David Under Obama, FEMA is the cat's meow and the Left rushes to her aide. FEMA can do no wrong..

Under Bush, FEMA was the villain and was the agency that could do no right.

I think you're mischaracterizing once again. It's not about Right vs. Left.

The issue is about effective vs. non-effective. President Bush and many Republicans don't believe in helping out people during disasters. See Eric Cantor's recent comments on the hurricane. So they appoint friends to lead these agencies rather than people who are qualified.

The end result was that you had an agency that didn't take Katrina seriously and wasn't prepared.

If your end goal is to get rid of government (as many conservatives want), there is a natural conflict of interest. You don't want government to succeed. You want government to do a POOR job.

It's like appointing a CEO who doesn't believe in the company and wants to sell it. He has no incentive to even try.

Under Obama, the agency seems to have much better leadership because he believes in effective government. FEMA was prepared.

But you keep beating that Right vs. Left horse. It seems like about all you have left (ok, bad pun) ;)

-David

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15902 Michale Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:46:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15902 <I>It will become clear to you after an exercise of comparing and contrasting who Bush and Obama appointed to head up this critical agency.</I> Ahh.. Yes. That MUST be it... :D Michale..... It will become clear to you after an exercise of comparing and contrasting who Bush and Obama appointed to head up this critical agency.

Ahh.. Yes.

That MUST be it... :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15899 Elizabeth Miller Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:44:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15899 Michale, It's actually not that funny at all ... or at all surprising, for that matter. It will become clear to you after an exercise of comparing and contrasting who Bush and Obama appointed to head up this critical agency. Michale,

It's actually not that funny at all ... or at all surprising, for that matter.

It will become clear to you after an exercise of comparing and contrasting who Bush and Obama appointed to head up this critical agency.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15889 Michale Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:04:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15889 It's funny to see how positions change when administrations do.. :D Under Obama, FEMA is the cat's meow and the Left rushes to her aide. FEMA can do no wrong.. Under Bush, FEMA was the villain and was the agency that could do no right... <B>" ehdhihss u'ti ehdhihss u'ti hwia ehdhihss"</B> -Romulan Proverb Michale..... It's funny to see how positions change when administrations do.. :D

Under Obama, FEMA is the cat's meow and the Left rushes to her aide. FEMA can do no wrong..

Under Bush, FEMA was the villain and was the agency that could do no right...

" ehdhihss u'ti ehdhihss u'ti hwia ehdhihss"
-Romulan Proverb

Michale.....

]]> By: Osborne Ink http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15887 Osborne Ink Tue, 30 Aug 2011 06:04:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15887 Ron Paul is a crank. More to the point, he's a paleoconservative -- and among that set, federal disaster response is a longtime obsession. For in the paranoid narrative, the era of liberal (read: big) government starts with the 1927 floods on the Mississippi. That's when the federal government first found a role for itself in disaster preparedness and response. The disaster led to TVA as well. So we really shouldn't be altogether surprised by this odd-seeming obsession among Paulites -- after all, FEMA has been the object of wingnutty fearmongering for YEARS. "Death camps," anyone? Ron Paul is a crank. More to the point, he's a paleoconservative -- and among that set, federal disaster response is a longtime obsession. For in the paranoid narrative, the era of liberal (read: big) government starts with the 1927 floods on the Mississippi. That's when the federal government first found a role for itself in disaster preparedness and response. The disaster led to TVA as well. So we really shouldn't be altogether surprised by this odd-seeming obsession among Paulites -- after all, FEMA has been the object of wingnutty fearmongering for YEARS. "Death camps," anyone?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/08/29/ron-paul-versus-government/#comment-15885 Michale Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:04:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=4460#comment-15885 Ron Paul is a politician I can respect.. I may not agree with him... I probably would disagree with a LOT of what he stands for and what he says... But at least, as you say, he is consistent in his message and he doesn't (again, as you say) speak out his ass with one message, while his hand is raking in all the cash.... He is the kind of politician that ALL politicians, Republican OR Democrat, should aspire to be... You can hate his politics and/or his positions.... But no one could ever doubt his integrity.... Michale..... Ron Paul is a politician I can respect..

I may not agree with him... I probably would disagree with a LOT of what he stands for and what he says...

But at least, as you say, he is consistent in his message and he doesn't (again, as you say) speak out his ass with one message, while his hand is raking in all the cash....

He is the kind of politician that ALL politicians, Republican OR Democrat, should aspire to be...

You can hate his politics and/or his positions....

But no one could ever doubt his integrity....

Michale.....

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