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	<title>Comments on: Friday Talking Points [167] -- Happy Friday The Thirteenth, Ron!</title>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14501</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 21:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, stranger things have happened.

In 2008, we elected a guy with absolutely ZERO  leadership experience and the business sense of a walnut..

We Americans can be a crazy lot sometimes...  Trump might just have pulled it off.  :D


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, stranger things have happened.</p>
<p>In 2008, we elected a guy with absolutely ZERO  leadership experience and the business sense of a walnut..</p>
<p>We Americans can be a crazy lot sometimes...  Trump might just have pulled it off.  :D</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14500</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 21:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election.&quot; - Donald Trump

Sure, Don. Sure thing. :)
&lt;/I&gt;

Self-esteem doesn&#039;t seem to be a problem for Trump..  :D


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election." - Donald Trump</p>
<p>Sure, Don. Sure thing. :)<br />
</i></p>
<p>Self-esteem doesn't seem to be a problem for Trump..  :D</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: akadjian</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14499</link>
		<dc:creator>akadjian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 20:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election.&quot; - Donald Trump

Sure, Don. Sure thing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election." - Donald Trump</p>
<p>Sure, Don. Sure thing. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14498</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama got hit with a double-whammy of bad news..

First, Trump is out..

Second, his Bin Laden bump in the polls has been completely erased...

Shoulda released the photograph...  Might have been able to hold onto that bump a bit longer...


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama got hit with a double-whammy of bad news..</p>
<p>First, Trump is out..</p>
<p>Second, his Bin Laden bump in the polls has been completely erased...</p>
<p>Shoulda released the photograph...  Might have been able to hold onto that bump a bit longer...</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: akadjian</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14497</link>
		<dc:creator>akadjian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 18:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Trump&#039;s out ...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/16/6653781-trump-not-running-for-president

If there was ever any doubt that this was more than just a publicity stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Trump's out ...</p>
<p><a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/16/6653781-trump-not-running-for-president" rel="nofollow">http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/16/6653781-trump-not-running-for-president</a></p>
<p>If there was ever any doubt that this was more than just a publicity stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: akadjian</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14496</link>
		<dc:creator>akadjian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 18:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; speaking of which, did you get to read the galactic empire times website that i posted on last week&#039;s FTP? i realize i was a bit late to the party, but it was pretty funny. &lt;/i&gt;

Hilarious!

I was also pretty amazed at the entire site. Star Wars fans always take it to another level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> speaking of which, did you get to read the galactic empire times website that i posted on last week's FTP? i realize i was a bit late to the party, but it was pretty funny. </i></p>
<p>Hilarious!</p>
<p>I was also pretty amazed at the entire site. Star Wars fans always take it to another level.</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14492</link>
		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cw,

&lt;i&gt;Oh, c&#039;mon. That Dr. Seuss takeoff was funny. Admit it. Be a man. Or do I have to quote Larry the Cable Guy back to you?&lt;/i&gt;

speaking of which, did you get to read the galactic empire times website that i posted on last week&#039;s FTP? i realize i was a bit late to the party, but it was pretty funny.

http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cw,</p>
<p><i>Oh, c'mon. That Dr. Seuss takeoff was funny. Admit it. Be a man. Or do I have to quote Larry the Cable Guy back to you?</i></p>
<p>speaking of which, did you get to read the galactic empire times website that i posted on last week's FTP? i realize i was a bit late to the party, but it was pretty funny.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14491</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 11:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Oh, c&#039;mon. That Dr. Seuss takeoff was funny. Admit it. Be a man. Or do I have to quote Larry the Cable Guy back to you?&lt;/I&gt;

hehehehehehehe

OK OK..  Credit where credit is due.  That WAS pretty funny...  :D  

And pretty damn original too...

So, yep..  You do get a kewpie for originality and a kewpie for humor..  :D


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, c'mon. That Dr. Seuss takeoff was funny. Admit it. Be a man. Or do I have to quote Larry the Cable Guy back to you?</i></p>
<p>hehehehehehehe</p>
<p>OK OK..  Credit where credit is due.  That WAS pretty funny...  :D  </p>
<p>And pretty damn original too...</p>
<p>So, yep..  You do get a kewpie for originality and a kewpie for humor..  :D</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weigant</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14489</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Weigant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 08:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michale -

Oh, c&#039;mon.  That Dr. Seuss takeoff was funny.  Admit it.  Be a man.  Or do I have to quote Larry the Cable Guy back to you?

Heh.

-CW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michale -</p>
<p>Oh, c'mon.  That Dr. Seuss takeoff was funny.  Admit it.  Be a man.  Or do I have to quote Larry the Cable Guy back to you?</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
<p>-CW</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14488</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 22:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That may have come out a little harsher than I meant it..

Sorry, it&#039;s been a REALLY bad week..

All my point is, is that Bush deserves the credit for all the things Bush did that enabled Obama to do what Obama did...

If one is completely fair, Bush deserves MORE credit as he was the trailblazer. 

Obama simply followed Bush&#039;s lead..


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may have come out a little harsher than I meant it..</p>
<p>Sorry, it's been a REALLY bad week..</p>
<p>All my point is, is that Bush deserves the credit for all the things Bush did that enabled Obama to do what Obama did...</p>
<p>If one is completely fair, Bush deserves MORE credit as he was the trailblazer. </p>
<p>Obama simply followed Bush's lead..</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14486</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CW,

To be fair, it was George Bush who developed the intel that directly lead to the execution of Bin Laden.

Further, it was George Bush that developed and implemented the policies, without which Obama would have had jack squat to work with..

Finally, George Bush did it, IN SPITE of all the personal attacks and political attacks from the Left AND from Obama...

Any fool can order SEALs to attack...  

But without the foresight and sheer guts displayed by the Bush Administration, Obama would have been completely and utterly clueless on where to send the SEALS...

&lt;B&gt;&quot;Dems da facts, Jack!!&quot;&lt;/B&gt;
-Bill Murray, STRIPES

Michale....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CW,</p>
<p>To be fair, it was George Bush who developed the intel that directly lead to the execution of Bin Laden.</p>
<p>Further, it was George Bush that developed and implemented the policies, without which Obama would have had jack squat to work with..</p>
<p>Finally, George Bush did it, IN SPITE of all the personal attacks and political attacks from the Left AND from Obama...</p>
<p>Any fool can order SEALs to attack...  </p>
<p>But without the foresight and sheer guts displayed by the Bush Administration, Obama would have been completely and utterly clueless on where to send the SEALS...</p>
<p><b>"Dems da facts, Jack!!"</b><br />
-Bill Murray, STRIPES</p>
<p>Michale....</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14485</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 19:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;and President Obama for somewhat &quot;spiking the football&quot;.­&lt;/I&gt;

Americans love to gloat!!   :D


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and President Obama for somewhat "spiking the football".­</i></p>
<p>Americans love to gloat!!   :D</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weigant</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14484</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Weigant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Note:&lt;/strong&gt;

For the first time ever, I am cross-posting a comment from another site here, because it is so excellent.  This came in over at Huffington Post, and was in response to a comment on #7 (quoted as the first line).

&lt;strong&gt;-CW&lt;/strong&gt;

==============

&lt;strong&gt;standard&lt;/strong&gt; wrote:

&quot;It actually took you a week to come up with that &#039;answer&#039;?&quot;

To be fair, it took George W. Bush--who was also in a position to deploy Navy SEALS--sev­en and a half years to NOT get bin Laden.

What Bush43 did do was run the National Debt through the roof (setting the stage for economic disaster), not regulate the banking industry (further setting the stage for economic disaster), cripple our civil liberties, and something else. What was that? Oh! Now I remember. It was: NOT get bin Laden.

He didn&#039;t get him with appeals. He didn&#039;t get him with our SEALS. He didn&#039;t get him with a drone. He didn&#039;t get him in his home. He didn&#039;t get him river-ford­ing. He didn&#039;t get him waterboard­ing. He didn&#039;t--sm­irking ear to ear. He didn&#039;t--wo­rking year to year. He didn&#039;t get him in a day. He didn&#039;t get him any way. Although the GOP it sadden, Dubya didn&#039;t get bin Laden.

So, say what you will about Obama, he got Bin Laden.

(With apologies to Theodor Geisel for using his poetic model, purists for using near-rhyme­s, and President Obama for somewhat &quot;spiking the football&quot;.­</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Note:</strong></p>
<p>For the first time ever, I am cross-posting a comment from another site here, because it is so excellent.  This came in over at Huffington Post, and was in response to a comment on #7 (quoted as the first line).</p>
<p><strong>-CW</strong></p>
<p>==============</p>
<p><strong>standard</strong> wrote:</p>
<p>"It actually took you a week to come up with that 'answer'?"</p>
<p>To be fair, it took George W. Bush--who was also in a position to deploy Navy SEALS--sev­en and a half years to NOT get bin Laden.</p>
<p>What Bush43 did do was run the National Debt through the roof (setting the stage for economic disaster), not regulate the banking industry (further setting the stage for economic disaster), cripple our civil liberties, and something else. What was that? Oh! Now I remember. It was: NOT get bin Laden.</p>
<p>He didn't get him with appeals. He didn't get him with our SEALS. He didn't get him with a drone. He didn't get him in his home. He didn't get him river-ford­ing. He didn't get him waterboard­ing. He didn't--sm­irking ear to ear. He didn't--wo­rking year to year. He didn't get him in a day. He didn't get him any way. Although the GOP it sadden, Dubya didn't get bin Laden.</p>
<p>So, say what you will about Obama, he got Bin Laden.</p>
<p>(With apologies to Theodor Geisel for using his poetic model, purists for using near-rhyme­s, and President Obama for somewhat "spiking the football".­</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14482</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 13:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Yet we have lawmen testifying under oath that the reason the arrest numbers are lower is because BP agents have been instructed NOT to make arrests...&lt;/I&gt;

That should be amended to say:

&lt;B&gt;We have lawmen testifying under oath that they have been told that Border Patrol supervisors have instructed BP Agents NOT to make arrests but rather TBS people..  And THAT is why the arrest numbers are lower.&lt;/B&gt;

My bust...


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yet we have lawmen testifying under oath that the reason the arrest numbers are lower is because BP agents have been instructed NOT to make arrests...</i></p>
<p>That should be amended to say:</p>
<p><b>We have lawmen testifying under oath that they have been told that Border Patrol supervisors have instructed BP Agents NOT to make arrests but rather TBS people..  And THAT is why the arrest numbers are lower.</b></p>
<p>My bust...</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14478</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 09:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry CW, but #4 is a load of carp...

Let&#039;s take a trip to the border and ask the people who actually LIVE there if the border is &quot;more secure than ever&quot;...

Obama et al points to lower arrests as proof that the border is more secure..

Yet we have lawmen testifying under oath that the reason the arrest numbers are lower is because BP agents have been instructed NOT to make arrests...

So, let&#039;s not follow that BS line of reasoning that the border is more secure than ever..

It ain&#039;t...  Period.

As to #5, are you SURE you want to cap on the GOP regarding corruption and/or sexual peccadilloes??

Shall we trot out all the Dems that have been busted for the same things??   :D

#7....  Spike the football much??  :D  

Like I said previously...

We&#039;re Americans..  We love to gloat...  :D


Michale.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry CW, but #4 is a load of carp...</p>
<p>Let's take a trip to the border and ask the people who actually LIVE there if the border is "more secure than ever"...</p>
<p>Obama et al points to lower arrests as proof that the border is more secure..</p>
<p>Yet we have lawmen testifying under oath that the reason the arrest numbers are lower is because BP agents have been instructed NOT to make arrests...</p>
<p>So, let's not follow that BS line of reasoning that the border is more secure than ever..</p>
<p>It ain't...  Period.</p>
<p>As to #5, are you SURE you want to cap on the GOP regarding corruption and/or sexual peccadilloes??</p>
<p>Shall we trot out all the Dems that have been busted for the same things??   :D</p>
<p>#7....  Spike the football much??  :D  </p>
<p>Like I said previously...</p>
<p>We're Americans..  We love to gloat...  :D</p>
<p>Michale.....</p>
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		<title>By: Michale</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14477</link>
		<dc:creator>Michale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 08:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;When was the last time that a Democrat entered a primary race with a sitting Democrat president?&lt;/I&gt;

When Ted Kennedy challenged Carter for the nomination in 1980...

It&#039;s was a bruising scorched Earth contest that left Carter weaker (if that&#039;s even possible) and Reagan mopped the country with him...

Before Bin Laden, I would have said that Obama might be in for a Primary fight.  His numbers were tanking and that tanking was accelerating...

However, since Obama took out Osama, the numbers have spike up a tad, but more important, the downward slide was arrested..

Obama will have to screw up really bad (always a possibility) to earn a Primary fight..

If there is a Dem Primary fight, the GOP could nominate Donald Duck (and they might) and he would be a shoe-in...


Michale....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When was the last time that a Democrat entered a primary race with a sitting Democrat president?</i></p>
<p>When Ted Kennedy challenged Carter for the nomination in 1980...</p>
<p>It's was a bruising scorched Earth contest that left Carter weaker (if that's even possible) and Reagan mopped the country with him...</p>
<p>Before Bin Laden, I would have said that Obama might be in for a Primary fight.  His numbers were tanking and that tanking was accelerating...</p>
<p>However, since Obama took out Osama, the numbers have spike up a tad, but more important, the downward slide was arrested..</p>
<p>Obama will have to screw up really bad (always a possibility) to earn a Primary fight..</p>
<p>If there is a Dem Primary fight, the GOP could nominate Donald Duck (and they might) and he would be a shoe-in...</p>
<p>Michale....</p>
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		<title>By: dsws</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14475</link>
		<dc:creator>dsws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 07:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When was the last time that a Democrat entered a primary race with a sitting Democrat president?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, LaRouche called himself a Democrat in 1996.  If that doesn&#039;t count, you have to reach all the way back to 1980.

Let&#039;s see again, when were the last times there &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a sitting Democratic president who was eligible to run for re-election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When was the last time that a Democrat entered a primary race with a sitting Democrat president?</i></p>
<p>Well, LaRouche called himself a Democrat in 1996.  If that doesn't count, you have to reach all the way back to 1980.</p>
<p>Let's see again, when were the last times there <i>was</i> a sitting Democratic president who was eligible to run for re-election?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14458</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 01:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the Progressive Caucus budget proposal differ from the one outlined by President Obama?</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/05/13/ftp167/#comment-14457</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 01:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

&lt;i&gt;There will likely be no nomination race on the Democratic side, since Obama will assumably crush any upstart Democrats who take him on.&lt;/i&gt;

When was the last time that a Democrat entered a primary race with a sitting Democrat president?

In any event, if that happens this time around we&#039;ll have to come up with a decidedly more descriptive term than &lt;i&gt;upstart&lt;/i&gt;. I can think of a few choice words, not surprisingly. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p><i>There will likely be no nomination race on the Democratic side, since Obama will assumably crush any upstart Democrats who take him on.</i></p>
<p>When was the last time that a Democrat entered a primary race with a sitting Democrat president?</p>
<p>In any event, if that happens this time around we'll have to come up with a decidedly more descriptive term than <i>upstart</i>. I can think of a few choice words, not surprisingly. :)</p>
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