No worries... :D

It's a really hard show to watch, actually. We enjoy the at sea sequences, but the soap opera/reality show crap is sometimes embarrassing to watch..

If it matters, I am an avid fan of DropDeadDiva on Lifetime. About as girlie show as you can possibly get... :D

I mean, LIFETIME for chreest's sake!! :D hehehehehehe

Michale.....

Michale......

OMG, that's wild! How did he get into that? And how long has he been in Palin country? 'D

Well, I don't know if I would go THAT far.. :D I readily admit that Obama seems more concerned with the Democratic Party agenda, rather than the United States of America agenda.

I concede that he is not very competent as a superpower leader.

But I am not ready to travel down the road that leads us to "Obama Wants To Reshape Amerika"...

I have voted Democrat the last couple elections because I felt that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats might be able to do better. I reasoned, "Even if I am wrong, how much damage could they do??"

Well, I got my answer and whaddayafrakin know??

I was really REALLY wrong... :D

Deadliest Catch? LOL. You're such a guy.

Actually, we watch it because our son is in Alaska doing that very thing.. :D He's not on the show, but we like to watch and see the kinds of things he does.

Michale.....

Glenn Beck isn't such a kook. I was around in the Weathermen days (so was he) and I sat through plenty of campus speeches. What he's talking about is dead on the money. I've been watching the transformation for forty years, from the vilification of Big Business to indoctrinating kids in the classroom, to rallying "the youth" — or useful idiots, as Marx used to call them.

And the Obama administration has completely ignored that...

They also screamed "No!" to Health Care Reform, and that was ignored, too.

Why???

He's busily changing this country into a socialism, Saul Alinsky-style. We're citizens of the world, don'tcha know. Read some of the manifestos from the radicals of 60's, like his buddy Bill Ayers's Weathermen document. What he (and others) wrote back then is all playing out, as we speak, from where I'm sitting. Obama's had these people around him all his adult life, and a number of them are in the government now. The whole idea was to change this country "from the inside." And that's precisely what they're doing.

It's not that Obama hasn't had legislative success. It's clear that he has..

But the problem is, his "success" comes at the expense of the American people...

Americans have been screaming "JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" since day one!! :D

And the Obama administration has completely ignored that...

Why???

Michale.....

Say it ain't so!!!

Where's Chuck Norris when ya need 'im!!? :D

What's moved them forward is Obama's socialistic agenda. And the Dems STILL don't get that.

I would say that the thrashing that the Dems are about to receive in the midterms will be a very rude wake up call.

But I doubt that Democrats will get it even then. They'll just blame it on the voters, on the GOP, on anyone and anything else but themselves...

One only has to look at the recent history of the Democratic Party to see this.

When the GOP had the majority and the White House, everything bad was all the GOP's fault.

When the Democrats had a slim majority in Congress, but the GOP still had the White House, everything bad was all the GOP's fault.

When the Democrats had a super majority in Congress AND had the White House...... Everything was STILL all the GOP's fault..

With that kind of myopic and tunnel vision view of their own Party, it's no wonder that the Democratic Party is incapable of leadership..

Michale.....

What's moved them forward is Obama's socialistic agenda. And the Dems STILL don't get that.

I don't watch the show, but I can't say that I'm surprised. I hear they have a bunch of liberals in Hollywood. 'D

Aww, hell.. Let's just let the women take over..

President Palin and VP Bachmann

:D

You watch the TV show, SUPERNATURAL??? They had "President Palin" on an episode, ordering the bombing of Houston.. :D

Michale.....

Michale......

I'm thinking President Gingrich and Vice President Michelle Bachmann.

“Given the large number of people who are technically ‘arrested’ but never booked into jail or perhaps even transported to a law enforcement facility, detention time for this category of arrestee will certainly be extended during an immigration status verification,”
-Judge Bolton's Ruling

What the Judge seems to forget is that, ANY TIME an LEO has lawful contact with ANYONE that may be arrested or cited, that person MUST be identified. It doesn't matter whether the person looks Hispanic, Black or Bajoran.. That person will stay where he or she is until they are identified.

Give you a perfect example. Let's say you are pulled over for reckless driving and you don't have any ID. Guess what?? Yer going to jail until you can be identified..

So, what's the big deal in ALSO making sure of immigration status??

It wouldn't take any longer to ascertain immigrant status than it would to ascertain identification.

So, the Judge is living in a fantasy world.

Further, Judge Bolton states that only the Federal Government can enforce immigration laws.

This is 100% Crock 'O Crap... States routinely enforce Federal Law... Hell, a 2007 DOJ memo directed State Police to enforce Federal immigration laws.

The bad news for Democrats is two fold..

One.. This will go to the SCOTUS and the Government AND the Democrats will lose... This is a given..

Two.. Every crime committed, every murder committed, every rape and robbery committed by an illegal immigrant in Arizona will be blamed, rightly so, on Obama and his administration. Democrats in general will also feel the heat from this..

It's unlikely that Democrats can possibly lose any more than they already are in the 2010 mid-terms..

What they are doing by fighting the AZ law is teeing up an equally catastrophic loss in the 2012 Elections...

Get ready for President Romney and Vice-President Palin... :D

Remember, you heard it here first...

Michale.....

Oh, no doubt..

I was saying that I was wrong in how the judge would rule. I thought that the way she grilled the government and scoff'd at it's case, it was a good indication as to how she would rule..

I still hold out hope that her decision will be reversed on appeal, but you are right.

It's headed for the SCOTUS, to be sure..

If the SCOTUS upholds the Judge's decision, you can bet there is going to be some serious secession talk...

Michale.....

I was wrong..

It's looking an awful lot like the judge was wrong. Anyway, this will be going all the way to the Supremes, I'm sure.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4295955/will-arizona-appeal-judges-immigration-ruling/

I think it hurts the entire industry. The public wasn't all that trusting of the press to begin with.

I doubt anyone will notice other than to, as you say, point to it and sadly shake their heads..

The industry has so many black eyes to start with, one more is simply lost in the pulpy morass that is the "integrity" of the media...

Michale.....

I think it hurts the entire industry. The public wasn't all that trusting of the press to begin with.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2008/2008_presidential_election/majority_say_reporters_tried_to_help_obama

Now they get to say, "See? Told ya they were helping him," regardless of how many actually were. The whole industry takes a hit for the unethical behavior of God knows how many.

How can the burden be on the Birthers? They have no access to the files. The burden is, and always has been, on Obama. The American people have the right to know if he is, indeed, and American citizen. I mean, c'mon.

But, on something THIS important (the legitimacy of the Presidency) and there is an eyewitness to Obama's birth in Kenya (a second aunt or something) then it behooves Obama to settle the question once and for all...

There's also a whistleblower in the office that holds the birth certificates. He says it's not there.

And, yes, this could have been resolved two years ago by Obama simply authorizing the office in Hawaii to make the original available to a handful of reporters, who could then report to the country that they had seen it and all looked kosher. So how come that hasn't happened?

Well, I have to admit..

I was wrong..

I thought for sure that the judge would rule against the Federal Government..

How disappointing..

I guess that the states are at the mercy of a Federal Government who refuses to enforce the laws of this country for political reasons...

I wouldn't blame any state that would want to secede from the union based on this...

Michale.....

No, my logic is that if Obama refused to produce his birth certificate, voters would be justified in formulating suspicions.

They do an excellent job of it, IMO. Have you ever watched their 6:00 PM (EST) news program? I defy anyone to point to examples of how it isn't fair and balanced. They always tell both sides of the story, and their panel is always half Right/half Left. I don't think there's another news source around today that follows those good ol' journalism ethics of straight news, with balanced guest commentators at the end of the show.

There's little wonder why the White House doesn't want its supporters watching it. Fox runs all the stories that the Leftie MSM goes way out of its way to avoid reporting on, like good little biased reporters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/28/exclusive-doj-stalls-voter-registration-law-military/

A clear pattern is developing where Holder's DOJ is attempting to disenfranchise voters who would likely vote Republican and propping up undocumented voters who would likely vote Democrat..

You have the Holder's refusal to prosecute the NBPP, who likely intimidated GOP voter.

You have Holder trying to sway the opinions of undocumented voters with this ridiculous lawsuit against AZ...

And now we see Holder's DOJ telling states, "You really don't have to abide by the law, (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)...

As patterns go, I think this one should be disturbing to ALL Americans...

Michale.....

I didn't notice the Time Stamps.. That IS funny!! :D

Should you or I be more worried? :D

"A little from column A and a little from column B."
-Homer Simpson

:D

Michale

So much for transparency...

Meet the new boss.. Same as the old boss...

Michale.....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40308_Page2.html#ixzz0uysN49DU

You must have been posting yours while I was posting mine.. :D

I guess that shows we think alike.. How scary is that!!!???? :D

I really do believe that this incident hurts progressives more than they realize though.

I agree....

So by your logic if we asked Bush to produce evidence that he was not involved in 9/11, we should be suspicious that he was?

I agree that the burden of proof is on the Birthers...

But, on something THIS important (the legitimacy of the Presidency) and there is an eyewitness to Obama's birth in Kenya (a second aunt or something) then it behooves Obama to settle the question once and for all... He has stated that he has his old birth certificate. If it confirms that he was born in Hawaii, then there is no reason NOT to release it..

You don't find it strange that Obama has spent nearly 2 million dollars to keep it hidden..

NO ONE spends that kind of money unless there is something to hide.

Michale.....

Now I'm worried. We both cited the same article at the same exact timestamp.

Should you or I be more worried? :D

Well, we tried MadMen last night...

I am sorry to say that we really couldn't get into it..

It has it's charm, I suppose.. I especially like the historical anecdote IE how women were treated etc etc etc...

But it's not something we could get into... Sorry to say, because I really wanted to like it...

David,

A very good article on the JournoList issue..

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40308.html

Very fair... I think you would agree with it in it'e entirety..

Michale.....

Point. I haven't seen anything either. I think they're afraid that people will think it justifies the conspiracy theory.

Chuck Todd from NBC news had this to say:

“Journolist was pretty offensive. Those of us who are mainstream journalists got mixed in with journalists with an agenda. Those folks who thought they were improving journalism are destroying the credibility of journalism.

“This has kept me up nights. I try to be fair. It’s very depressing.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40308_Page2.html#ixzz0uysN49DU

I don't doubt some fringe groups try to link the NBPP and Obama.

Fringe? I don't know if I'd say Fox is fringe. They're a pretty darn big media network. And, they try to represent themselves as fair and balanced.

The 9/11 conspiracy is pretty much relegated to crackpot blogs. I don't see anyone in the mainstream "liberal media" talking about this. Unless you've seen something different.

Because, by the very nature of the ListServ in question, we are not talking about just "this journalist".. We are talking about a large group of journalists that represent predominantly the entire Left Wing journalists.

Again, if you want to go after the folks who made the quotes, I'm with you.

If you're trying to say this represents all "Left Wing journalists" and there's a conspiracy by the "liberal media" or even that it represents everyone on the ListServ, you've lost me. This is cynical politics as you put it.

With me, I decry both actions, while cynically acknowledging that it's the way our politics is these days.

*sigh* Sometimes it seems that way. But it doesn't mean I have to go along with it.

What I try to do is keep it out of things I write. And argue for evidence and journalistic standards as a principle.

I really do believe that this incident hurts progressives more than they realize though.

@Chris1962
The Birthers' "evidence" lies in the fact that Obama still has not put forth his birth certificate.

So by your logic if we asked Bush to produce evidence that he was not involved in 9/11, we should be suspicious that he was?

You can use this argument for anything. Obama is an alien. He can't produce evidence that he's not so therefore we're suspicious.

Cheers
David

Huh? I never said anything of the sort. Why do you keep coming back and accusing me of everything you think liberals are guilty of?

You are absolutely right...

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/08/24/would-democrats-be-better-off-with-59-senators-and-a-new-majority-leader/

The comments you made regarding the birthers in the above thread lead me to extrapolate your feelings about the birthers...

Seriously. Especially when I consider the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and the birthers to be about the same. Neither have any evidence.

Fair enough.. The 9/11 whack jobs and the birther whack jobs are in the same category of whack jobs.

Common ground. :D

Actually, I don't agree with anyone who would do this. But I don't see any evidence of a conspiracy. Or even evidence that what was talked about actually happened.

Well, I am glad to hear you don't agree with the practice..

I don't mean this sarcastically, but do you know what a ListServ is???

I'll assume you don't. A ListServ is a group of people participating in mass emails for the purposes of sharing information on a common topic. Once you join, you will receive emails from all other participants. If you respond to one of those emails, it will also be sent to all other participants. Think of it as a PenPal group...

So, in this particular ListServ, a bunch of journalists were sharing emails about how the can protect Obama. Especially in light of the Wright controversy. Several well known journalists suggested that, to shield Obama from other journalists, every time a journalist brought up Wright, these ListServ journalists would accuse that journalist of being racist..

Now, how is this not evidence of the exact thing that we both agree is a shitty thing to do?? Well, I say it's a shitty thing to do. You say you don't agree with it... :D

What I have a problem with is folks who go from "This journalist who said this is wrong" to "Journolist scandal proves media bias"

Because, by the very nature of the ListServ in question, we are not talking about just "this journalist".. We are talking about a large group of journalists that represent predominantly the entire Left Wing journalists..

To put it into another context.. If the entire "head committee" of the Tea Party (if there is one) made racist comments, then it's a safe bet that such attitudes are indicative of the entire group in general.

Just like if an entire group of Left Wing journalists made or agreed with plans to accuse anyone who speaks against Obama of being racist, it's a safe bet that such attitudes are indicative of the entire group in general.

Has any LeftWing group stepped forward to condemn the actions and statements of this ListServ of journalists?

I don't think any have, but I would love to be proved wrong.

It's not going after the person who committed the wrong. It's using the incident to go after "liberals".

Well, two things on this.. One, that's how politics go. If it had been a Tea Party ListServ, the Left would be trying to smear the entire Tea Party with it. Much as the Left tried to smear the entire Tea Party because there were a few racists within it's ranks. As I always say, it works both ways. Second, as I have established, it wasn't just one Left-Wing journalist. It was a whole bunch of Left Wing journalists..

And ... do you see much coverage of the Journolists who disagreed with the commenters?

Again, that's the way of politics. Yea, it's wrong and underhanded. Just as it is wrong and underhanded when it happens to the Right...

What they do is try to use the NBP. Most of the onservative press seems like it could care less about fighting the NBP. What means something to them is going after Obama. So they link Obama to the NBP, as if somehow they have the same views. Same with Wright, same with Ayers. Same with socialism. Same with communism. Brand him as a radical.

I have read some extensive coverage of the NBPP scandal and there hasn't been much linkage between the NBPP and Obama. Sure, there is linkage between the NBPP and Obama's DOJ.. But I haven't read much about an attempt to directly link the NBPP to Obama. I don't doubt some fringe groups try to link the NBPP and Obama. Just like some fringe groups on the Left try to link 9/11 and Bush...

As far as Wright goes?? Com'on David. The linkage from Obama to Wright is clear cut and unarguable..

Over and over. Do you get the pattern?

Yea, it's the same pattern that was with Bush. Say he lied over and over until it becomes fact. Link him with every bad thing that happened in the world, no matter how tenuous or non-existent the link is..

Why is it such a big deal with Obama, but it wasn't with Bush??

I can't think of a good instance where the "liberal media" ever did this to Bush.

Yer kidding, right???

RatherGate, PlameGate the list goes on and on and on...

The issue here is that you see the actions taken against Bush to be perfectly legitimate, yet the same actions against Obama are somehow worse.

With me, I decry both actions, while cynically acknowledging that it's the way our politics is these days..

Michale.....

They were hatching out plans of how to handle negative information about Obama. And evidence that they kept negative news from the American people can be found in the Washington Post's ombudsman's article: "The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110702895.html

That lack of probing coverage of Obama was widespread throughout the MSM, David. That's common knowledge, at this point. The public was constantly complaining that they didn't really know much about Obama because the press wasn't delving into his background. Everyone was constantly asking what this "change" was, because he always spoke of it in general, lofty terms. The conservative pundits were absolutely wailing about the lack of coverage.

Almost at 200. Possibly a CW record.

It may very well be. And, I was hoping he might be the 200th - it would have been fitting.

The Birthers' "evidence" lies in the fact that Obama still has not put forth his birth certificate. That's all they're asking for. And because he refuses to release it, these people quite naturally and justifiably have suspicions.

To you, the 9-11/Inside Job epople "seem nutty"..

Yet, the Birther people are total fruitcakes.

Huh? I never said anything of the sort. Why do you keep coming back and accusing me of everything you think liberals are guilty of?

Seriously. Especially when I consider the 9/11 conspiracy theorists and the birthers to be about the same. Neither have any evidence.

You don't have a problem with journalists conspiring to attack anyone that speaks against Obama, calling them a racist, JUST to put them on the defensive and protect Obama?

Actually, I don't agree with anyone who would do this. But I don't see any evidence of a conspiracy. Or even evidence that what was talked about actually happened. Have you ever been on a group posting site where everyone was friends? You're able to say some pretty horrible things about people outside the group (thinking no one outside the group is listening).

What I have a problem with is folks who go from "This journalist who said this is wrong" to "Journolist scandal proves media bias"

It's not going after the person who committed the wrong. It's using the incident to go after "liberals".

And ... do you see much coverage of the Journolists who disagreed with the commenters?

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/27/heroes-of-journolist-dan-froomkin-james-surowiecki-jeffrey-toobin-michael-tomasky-%E2%80%94-and-founder-ezra-klein/

Why just show that which attempts to prove a point they already had beforehand?

This is the issue I have in general with conservative media. They don't go after the New Black Panthers.

What they do is try to use the NBP. Most of the onservative press seems like it could care less about fighting the NBP. What means something to them is going after Obama. So they link Obama to the NBP, as if somehow they have the same views. Same with Wright, same with Ayers. Same with socialism. Same with communism. Brand him as a radical.

Over and over. Do you get the pattern?

I can't think of a good instance where the "liberal media" ever did this to Bush. They didn't have to. All they had to do to paint him as radical was let him speak. The Tea Party was pretty similar initially. Radical signs abounded. All you had to do was talk to some members and they'd tell you.

But I guess without feeling like a victim, it makes it much harder to justify all the attacks.

I am already anxiously awaiting the next one. This Journolist thing is just too boring. Not to mention no being able to spell :)

-David

It reminds me more of the Wizared of Oz. Those flying monkeys. OH. MY. GOD.

Forget Bush. Just look at the crap they put McCain through. But Obama, who hasn't produced a birth certificate to this day? Perish the thought of putting him through the same scrutiny. The JournoList protectorates would never hear of it.

Loooooooove Leverage. Aldis Hodge is hilarious. A wealth of priceless lines (which I've noticed you like).
'D

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/27/animal-warfare-taliban-train-monkeys-shoot/

:D

Michale.....

Your swap test is beyond ludicrous.

How so?? Analogies are a perfect way to emphasis the validity of an argument.

You put the subject in an opposite but comparable context and test the hypothesis based on the new information.

It's how facts are established.

But, at least, now I know you are just having fun and you don't really believe what you write. :)

Oh, there is no doubt that I am having fun.. :D But I DO believe what I post.

Scary, iddn't it? :D

By the way, what I really want to know is if you thoroughly enjoyed the first three episodes of Mad Men!

I got overruled.. The wife wanted to watch Leverage and DropDeadDiva...

Nothing was on last night, so we should have tonight free to give MadMen a whirl.. :D

Michale.....

Your swap test is beyond ludicrous. But, at least, now I know you are just having fun and you don't really believe what you write. :)

By the way, what I really want to know is if you thoroughly enjoyed the first three episodes of Mad Men!

The only people who have confirmed the existence of the copy of the BC are those who have a vested interest in the outcome...

I find that very interesting.

Made even MORE interesting by the fact that Obama has spent millions of dollars of his own money to make sure that his original BC remains hidden.

Why??

You can bet that, if Bush wrote a letter to his father stating that he really did lie about Iraq and that he really did have a hand in 9/11 and then spent MILLIONS of his own money trying to keep that letter secret, that the Left would be howling to the high heavens...

Once again, the SWAP TEST proves the validity of the argument beyond any doubt... :D

Michale.....

Just like the people railing about Van Jones seemed like total fruitcakes.

The Birther people have one interesting point: Obama's birth certificate has yet to be presented. Hawaiian officials have stepped forward to say that they've seen it, it's been posted on the internet (which is no more proof than presenting a xerox), but the actual original document, itself, has never been put into the hands of, say, a couple of reporters, who could scrutinize it and attest that, yes, indeed, that's the real deal.

I find that very interesting.

To take us into war? Uh ... didn't he?

Not according to 2 American bi-partisan committees and one British.

You see, the problem you (and the Left) have/has is that ya'all think being wrong equals lying..

If that were the case, then Obama has been a "liar" practically since Day One.

I'll give you that the folks who think 9/11 was an inside job seem nutty.

Ya see, here's that partisan gunk rearing it's head again..

To you, the 9-11/Inside Job epople "seem nutty"..

Yet, the Birther people are total fruitcakes...

And I don't buy into any vast right-wing conspiracy. Again, most mainstream progressives won't even know what you're talking about.

I'll take that bet... :D

Ask the following question amongst your progressive pals..

"Do you think there is an organized movement amongst the Right to attack and bring down Democratic Party politicians?"

I trust you to report back honestly what the results are. :D

Do you buy into any of the following?
- Obama not being a U.S. citizen

I believe that it is curious as to why Obama won't come clean when he can easily settle the whole issue. I believe that it is suspicious that Obama has spent upwards of 2 million dollars to keep his actual birth certificate hidden away.

Just as YOU would be curious if the roles were reversed and it was a Republican president that was hiding information that would totally destroy his/her administration.

- The "liberal" media (which incidently is owned by large, conservative corporations such as Disney, GE, and ClearChannel)

To deny that there is (or in fact, was) a liberal slant to the media is to deny reality..

Now, I grant you that the "love affair" appears to be over. With the exception of NBC/MSNBC/NYTIMES, all other MSM outlets appear to be taking Obama to task more and more, most notably ABC.

My guess is that a decision was made at the highest levels of those outlets that covering up for Obama time and time again has gotten them nowhere.. So, now (for the most part) they are reporting the facts...

- Obama is a Muslim

Don't care either way...

- The ACORN scandal

What's not to believe?? It's documented that several ACORN employees in several different cities were recorded assisting in criminal enterprises.. You don't believe that happened??

- The tenuous Ayers/Wright Obama connections

As far as the Wright connections, 20 years as a "disciple" of Wright is hardly a "tenuous" connection.. As far as Ayers, if you change the name from Ayers to Bin Laden, would the "tenuous" connections matter?? Of course they would. So, the connection, no matter how tenuous, is still very much relevant..

- The NBP connection

Again, what's not to believe?? Sworn testimony shows a link from the NBP to the Obama Administration.

- The NAACP is racist

The NAACP is as racist an organization as the Tea Party is. It is undeniable that BOTH have racist elements within their respective groups. As, we have agreed, the Tea Party takes steps to eliminate it's racist elements. However, the NAACP takes steps to PROTECT it's racist elements..

- The Journolist conspiracy

Again, what's not to believe?? Did you not READ the emails??? What about any of those statements do you dispute??

Seriously. There are 3 things all of these stories have in common. 1) They're based on innuendo and speculation, 2) they're all being used in a political fashion to attack Obama, and 3) these seem to represent mainstream conservative thought.

Actually, most of them are based on factual data and real investigations..

The only ones that are speculation are the US Citizen/Muslim ones.

And, as has been noted, Obama can eliminate the US Citizen issue right now, if he chose to do so. The fact that he doesn't IS compelling circumstantial evidence that SOMETHING is amiss...

Why does Fox keep having NBP leaders on if they think they're so crazy? Because having some crazy fringe group on and trying to link them to liberals is what Fox is all about. Link Obama to Ayers. Link him to Wright. Link him to some crazies.

You mean, like the Left does with the Tea Party?? Get all the "crazies" all the exposure they can so that they can link the Tea Party to the crazies..

It absolutely, positively works both ways, David...

Try and make the super-extreme fringe (the NBP has 20 members) represent "liberals" or Obama.

Once again, a tactic taken from the Left's playbook...

That's why I'm always curious what the next manufactured story is going to be. I want to see them try to link him to aliens. Aliens who want to take over our planet.

Now THAT would be kewl!!! Especially if it were true!!!! :D

Or, maybe. Just maybe. The mainstream media still has some journalistic integrity and won't cover these stories until there's actual evidence?

Lack of evidence never stopped the MSM from bashing Bush.. ((Cough))RatherGate((Cough))

The Left doesn't seem to have a problem with THAT, eh??

As far as "journalistic integrity"?? Don't let Liz hear you say that! :D hehehehehehe

Nah. You're right. It couldn't be. It's much more likely that the media is just a liberal tool like the conservative pundits say :)

It USED to be true.. But, the tide IS slowly turning.. Now, you have FNC on one side, NBC/MSNBC/NYTIMES on the other side and most of your mainstream media is now closer to center.

Time will tell if this trend continues or not.

By your OWN admission, Obama and his administration has been on the wrong side of so many issues..

And you don't find it strange that ONLY FNC is covering these??

You don't have a problem with journalists conspiring to attack anyone that speaks against Obama, calling them a racist, JUST to put them on the defensive and protect Obama??

Seriously????

Michale.....

Better question: Why doesn't the White House want its constituents watching it? FOX has been out in front of a couple of news stories that the leftist press corps had obligingly ignored, or played way down, until such time as it was forced to acknowledge and pursue them, lest they wished to lose all credibility.

Gee, imagine if the entire press corps had been pursuing those stories all along instead of keep them from the public.

Here's a perfect example of how the leftist press obligingly ignores stories:

When Race Is the Issue, Misleading Coverage Sets Off an Uproar
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/business/media/26race.html?ref=politics

They're talking about the media, and "faulty journalism" and race, and not one word about the JournoListers, you'll notice. The same JournoListers whose emails revealed the master plan of simply calling anyone who shed a poor light on Obama a "racist." And look at how Fox is all but openly mocked for pursing legitimate news stories — stories that have resulted in a WH official (Van Jones) having to resign; ACORN losing its funding; and now a whistleblower revealing that the Justice Department has a policy for not prosecuting any civil-rights voter fraud cases involving white victims.

To take us into war? Uh ... didn't he?

The others, I'm not sure what exactly you're referencing.

I'll give you that the folks who think 9/11 was an inside job seem nutty. I haven't even read any of this speculation - but they don't represent mainstream progressives. And I don't buy into any vast right-wing conspiracy. Again, most mainstream progressives won't even know what you're talking about.

Do you buy into any of the following?
- Obama not being a U.S. citizen
- The "liberal" media (which incidently is owned by large, conservative corporations such as Disney, GE, and ClearChannel)
- Obama is a Muslim
- The ACORN scandal
- The tenuous Ayers/Wright Obama connections
- The NBP connection
- The NAACP is racist
- The Journolist conspiracy

Seriously. There are 3 things all of these stories have in common. 1) They're based on innuendo and speculation, 2) they're all being used in a political fashion to attack Obama, and 3) these seem to represent mainstream conservative thought.

Why does Fox keep having NBP leaders on if they think they're so crazy? Because having some crazy fringe group on and trying to link them to liberals is what Fox is all about. Link Obama to Ayers. Link him to Wright. Link him to some crazies.

Try and make the super-extreme fringe (the NBP has 20 members) represent "liberals" or Obama.

That's why I'm always curious what the next manufactured story is going to be. I want to see them try to link him to aliens. Aliens who want to take over our planet.

Oh wait, I forgot. Where's my mind? These are the stories that actual media outlets won't cover because they're part of the liberal conspiracy. There can't be any other explanation!

Or, maybe. Just maybe. The mainstream media still has some journalistic integrity and won't cover these stories until there's actual evidence?

Nah. You're right. It couldn't be. It's much more likely that the media is just a liberal tool like the conservative pundits say :)

-David

And we don't have AM radio or FoxNews like you guys do to get out the news out to the "everyman" about your conspiracy.

And why do you think that is??

Why isn't there a liberal alternative that's comparable to FNC??

Because Americans don't want to listen to a bunch of people tell them (Americans) how wrong and stoopid and greedy and fat they are...

:D

I am a little upset though that we have not been informed of the conspiracy nor have we been enlisted in the liberal conspiracy against the conspiracy. Goddammit, I love a good conspiracy!

Well, you are part of the right political movement then.. :D For conspiracies, I mean..

Shall I rattle them off??

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy... The Bush Lied Conspiracy.. The 9/11 Inside Job Conspiracy.. The Rendition Conspiracy.. The Iraq Conspiracy.. The Iran Conspiracy.. The UN Conspiracy.. The Racist Tea Party Conspiracy... and so on and so on and so on..

You think the hysterical Right has the lock on conspiracies???

Seriously???

I think they've got their campaign strategy down. But if I told you what it was, they'd kick me out of the liberal conspiracy.

Touche' :D

But ya'all thought I was nuts about the GOP taking back the House and the Senate..

Yet, what do we read in the news these days?? :D

Michale.....

Heheheh. Probably not. After all, we're just peon progressives and liberals. And we don't have AM radio or FoxNews like you guys do to get out the news out to the "everyman" about your conspiracy.

Keep me posted on what your conspiracy is up to though. My guess is that it involves trying to get conservatives elected. Horrible! Shocking! :)

I am a little upset though that we have not been informed of the conspiracy nor have we been enlisted in the liberal conspiracy against the conspiracy. Goddammit, I love a good conspiracy!

The Obama Administration will, in an effort to show how tough it is, initiate a military attack on Iran in October.

I've got some quatloos I'd wager against this. Ok, a lot of quatloos ;)

I think they've got their campaign strategy down. But if I told you what it was, they'd kick me out of the liberal conspiracy.

Cheers
David

And then there's this:

Why won’t the Justice Department let Christopher Coates testify?
http://www.chris11962.com/blog/files/925b49745c86c3b8cb235cbf3645f094-74.html

Yeah, it's called a coordinated effort to keep news from the public. And you, as an American, should be very concerned about that, David. That's no laughing matter. With a press corps effectively working as a campaign team for a candidate, we could end up with a very dangerous person in office. American voters have the right to know the good AND THE BAD stuff about the person they're considering installing into the most powerful office on the planet.

I am very seriously questioning whether Obama is even a legitimately elected president, between the coordinated efforts of JournoListers, keeping controversial information from the public and attacking journalists — and an entire news organization: Fox — who dared to report the news, and the fraud perpetrated during the Obama/Hillary primaries and caucuses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-UU

That documentary was created by a Democrat, BTW.

Personally, I see very little daylight between Holder and Louis Farakahn (sp). And Obama's beginning to remind me more and more of that ilk, as well.

Oh, that wasn't Hillary going off her rocker. That was one of the most shrewd campaign tactics I've ever seen.
It effectively allowed anyone who disagreed with the Clintons to be instantly branded a Vast Right-Wing Conspirator, and it was used very successfully by their armies of guest spinners on the pundit shows.

Well, then ya weren't paying close enough attention during the 2008 Elections... :D

"Former President Clinton, when asked on Meet the Press (September 27, 2009) whether the vast right wing conspiracy was involved in the attacks on President Barack Obama, said "Oh, you bet. Sure it is. It's not as strong as it was, because America's changed demographically, but it's as virulent as it was ... when they accused me of murder and all that stuff."

Let's face it.. Clintons ARE the Democratic Party..

When you have both of them espousing the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" 10 year apart.....

It's a pretty safe bet that the VRWC is a big part of the Democratic Party plans.... :D

Maybe you didn't get the memo...

"That's what you get for missing staff meetings."
-Admiral James T. Kirk, STAR TREK III, The Search For Spock

:D

It still doesn't seem anything like all the folks who conservative pundits say are out to get conservatives though. I don't know how y'all sleep at night :).

My guess is with guns. Lots of guns. :D

Well, yea, I do... But that really has nothing to do with fanatical liberals.. :D

More likely from fanatical Left-Wing bloggers. :D Present company excepted, of course..

Michale.....

Had it not been for JournoList so-called journalists conspiring to keep controversial facts about candidate Obama from the American public, the election, indeed, may have turned out differently:

FBI docs show alliance between Wright and Ayers
http://www.chris11962.com/blog/files/8103b42223295e15b68636afeeae755a-73.html

Interesting excerpt: There was, however, and remains an open source that sheds a bright light on Obama’s "associates" ideology, declassified FBI files. I reported from them prior to the elections. Among many interesting facts and history, the FBI detailed the ideological connection between Ayer’s Weathermen to the Black Liberation movement, Rev. Wright’s theology. Did that have an influence on Obama’s relationship with them?

Because the FBI files appear to be prophetic, I am re-reporting some of the information from them again as they document Obama’s “associates” Marxist-Leninist ideology; their inspiration which was derived in part from Mao Tse-tung, Che Guevara and Fidel Castro (consider Van Jones and Anita Dunn for example). Obama’s “associates” are internationalists (consider Obama’s actions with the United Nations), who are bent on America’s destruction — from within.

People have the right to know such things and to make decisions for themselves, D.

I would like to get my "October Surprise" prediction on record...

The Obama Administration will, in an effort to show how tough it is, initiate a military attack on Iran in October..

:D

Michale.....

From your Wikipedia entry:

After the Starr investigation revealed the Lewinsky affair, and precipitated a deposition wherein it was suggested that Bill Clinton may have committed perjury, some conservatives began to mock the VRWC phrase. Others took that mockery full circle to promote such a movement, making "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" into a reclaimed term. In 2004, conservative lawyer Mark W. Smith wrote the New York Times Best Seller Official Handbook of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, which came with a "membership card" that made its owner an "official member of the VRWC." A number of entrepreneurs are selling VRWC merchandise.[14] Similarly, a number of newspaper, magazine, and website articles have used the phrase to report on left-wing politics.

Honestly, you were the first person I've heard this from.

Ok. It looks like Hillary went off her rocker for a moment and originated the phrase. But it's not something I or anyone I know talk about. We're probably just out of the conspiracy though. Dammit! :)

It still doesn't seem anything like all the folks who conservative pundits say are out to get conservatives though. I don't know how y'all sleep at night :).

My guess is with guns. Lots of guns. :D

-David

"I'm not a paranoid deranged millionaire. Goddamit, I'm a billionaire." - Howard Hughes

Hahahaha.

I should probably amend that to say,

"It sounds to me like he was saying that it's OK to be racist against white people, but just don't be nationalistic against other black people.."

:D

Michale.....

ROFL. What the hell is happening to this country.

Huh? The only person I've ever heard say this is you, Michale. And I know a lot of "liberals".

Oh, come on, David??? Seriously??? :D

It's such a well known accusation from the Left, it even has it's own WIKI entry... :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vast_right-wing_conspiracy

"Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you."

Or, my personal favorite...

"Of course, I'm paranoid! Everyone is trying to kill me!"
-Garak, DEEP SPACE NINE

:D

Michale.....

Huh? The only person I've ever heard say this is you, Michale. And I know a lot of "liberals".

I'm starting to feel sorry for conservatives though. If you listen to what they're listening to, you'd know that they're victims of just about everything under the sun:

- Liberals
- The NAACP
- The liberal media
- Muslims
- Scientists
- Unions
- The judiciary
- Illegal immigrants
- Communists
- Socialists
- Nancy Pelosi
- Harry Reid
- Gays and lesbians
- Hollywood
- Consumer advocate groups
- Democrats
- George Soros
- Al Gore
- The Reverend Wright
- Europe
- Presbyterians
- Atheists
- The 20-person NBP party
- Journolists
- Canadians

All of these people are out to attack conservatives! :)

All of these people are playing the victim card on conservatives!

And then, the funniest thing, you'd never even know who half of these people or groups are without, the conservative media. Why? Because the liberal media would never even talk about it.

It's beautiful. A completely closed loop. Everyone is out to get conservatives. And anyone who says otherwise is part of the group trying to get conservatives.

-David

?"Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom." - Bertrand Russell

Very interesting thing.

When he started talking about race, he said, "We are all brothers and sisters. It doesn't matter what nationality (emphasis mine) we are"...

And then he went on talking about god and such and my eyes just glazed over..

I dunno.. Maybe he was flustered and meant to say "race we are" instead of "nationality we are"..

But it sounds to me like a Freudian slip.. He was saying that it's OK to be racist against white people, but just don't be nationalistic against other black people..

Michale.....

It's their new method of suppressing speech. As one of the JournoList so-called journalists said, just accuse the the dissenter of racism and put them on the defensive.

Yea, I read that too..

My question to Dr Dean is, "Well, the NAACP condemned Sherrod, just as Fox News did... Does that make the NAACP racist as well???"

It's amazing how those on the hysterical Left will drop the "racist" card at the drop of a dime.

But NOT when it is real and demonstrative racism FROM the Left..

Michale.....

Note to Warren Ballentine: Ummm, this country was founded as a collection of states, united, with each state having its own Constitution and legislature and judicial body and taxes, etc. And, yes, sorry to say, states do enjoy STATES RIGHTS, genius. And, no, your whining is not going to change that.

Like a coordinated effort to brand Tea Partiers as racists, JournoList-style, by any possible chance? 'D

Hey, didja hear? Fox is racist, too!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0710/Dean_Fox_News_racist.html?showall#

OK, I got the first 3 episodes. We'll give it a go tonight.. :D

Speaking of shows..

Just watched BOOK OF ELI last night.

Awesome flick... A definite MUST SEE..

Speaking of MUST SEE...

Anyone watch UNTHINKABLE yet?? :D

Michale.....

Whoa. Who's screaming?

A VERY public "resolution" from the NAACP with all the accompaning PR fanfare, also from the NAACP, constitutes "screaming", IMNSHO.. :D

Again. No one is throwing racist stones. Can we tone down the rhetoric?

Sure...

The NAACP should refrain from accusing other organizations of having racist elements until such time as they put their own house in order, regarding their own racist elements.

Better? :D

I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do this given that they're already trying to reform their organization.

Let me put it to you this way..

Would you accept lectures on progressive ideals from me? :D

Why should the Tea Party accept lectures on racial elements from the NAACP?? :D

All part of the vast liberal plot against the Tea Party, eh? Anything you could share?

Absolutely, although it would be rather redundant as I posted extensively about it before....

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Left+Wing+to+attend+Tea+Party&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CiVT806dNTLTqMpi8zgTHmdCxCgAAAKoEBU_Qi94y&fp=6f608341d157d760

There is also the (now defunct) crashtheteaparty.org and crash-theteaparty.org sites that were quite active with stories from actual Lefties who bragged about how they disrupted Tea Party gatherings..

It's a good thing there's always liberals to blame things on!

"Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy..."

'nuff said.. :D

Michale.....

Oh, that's not a problem..

I can get practically any TV show every aired, from any season. Specially if it's a popular show...

We have a 2.8 Terabyte Video Server, that I built that has every episode of every Star Trek episode, from all the Trek shows. I also have every Stargate SG-1, every Stargate Atlantis and every Stargate Universe episode...

Here is a listing of our TV Shows we have on our Video Server. All complete seasons... :D

24
ArmyWives
Burn Notice
Castle
Chuck
CSI
DeadliestCatch
DefyingGravity
Dexter
Doll House
DropDeadDiva
EarlyEdition
Eureka
FlashForward
Haven
Heroes
House
HowIMetYourMother
InPlainSight
Jericho
Leverage
Lost
NCIS
NCIS-LA
Numb3rs
Psych
RookieBlue
RoyalPains
Seven Days
Simpsons
SpinCity
StargateAtlantis
StargateSG1
StargateUniverse
StarTrek
StarTrek-DeepSpaceNine
StarTrek-Enterprise
StarTrek-NextGeneration
StarTrek-Voyager
Supernatural
TheCleaner
TheOffice
Treme
Two and a Half Men
V
V-1980
Vampire Diaries
Warehouse13
WhiteCollar

So, I will get the first few episodes of Season 1 of MadMen and see if we can add it to our list of shows to watch. :D

It's how we got started watching Heroes.. We didn't start watching it til halfway thru the second season. But we started from the beginning. :D

Thanx for the heads up.. :D

Michale.....

I'd second this, Michale. Great show. Start with the first season though!

I think they wanted to have leadership come out and publicly support an anti-racist position.

you don't publicly scream ...

Whoa. Who's screaming?

The NAACP shouldn't be throwing racist stones whilst they are living in a Glass House.

Again. No one is throwing racist stones. Can we tone down the rhetoric?

I submit that, logically, if the NAACP made such a public spectacle of "telling" the Tea Party to do something that it already IS doing and doesn't HAVE a problem doing, then something more must be at work.

No one ever "told" anyone to do anything. The belief is that if the Tea Party came out against racism, it would be a more powerful statement.

I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do this given that they're already trying to reform their organization.

There is evidence that many on the Left wanted to attend Tea Party gatherings for the expressed purpose of causing racial strife by making outrageous racist statements that, they hoped, would be attributed to the Tea Party.

All part of the vast liberal plot against the Tea Party, eh? Anything you could share?

It's a good thing there's always liberals to blame things on!

-David

Mad Men is a remarkable series. But, you have already missed the first three seasons so there would be a lot of catching up to do.

It would be worth the effort, though.

And, then ... we could have a lot of fun with the question, "What would Don Draper do?"

So if everyone seems to agree about this, what's all the hubbub about?

Yes, we all seem to agree that the Tea Party doesn't have a problem with repudiating racists within their ranks.

This begs the question. Why did the NAACP have to very publicly challenge the Tea Party to do something they have done and, apparently, don't have a problem continuing to do??

The article gets it right: "The NAACP did not brand the entire movement as racist, but called on its national leaders to take a stand against racism."

I submit that, logically, if the NAACP made such a public spectacle of "telling" the Tea Party to do something that it already IS doing and doesn't HAVE a problem doing, then something more must be at work...

In other words, you don't publicly scream at the Tea Party to do something they are already doing, unless you want to get a different message across..

And it seems to be the conservative pundit line. They're trying to create a controversy when really, even the Tea Party itself seems to agree with what the NAACP said.

The NAACP created the controversy by this very public battle against the Tea Party by going after the Tea Party to do something it is already doing and doesn't have a problem doing..

I think the Breitbart response is also accurate..

The NAACP shouldn't be throwing racist stones whilst they are living in a Glass House...

So CB, I agree with you that people should look at different news sources. But I'd add that when looking at different news sources, you have to be a bit skeptical and look at what's supported by evidence.

Fully and completely agree..

So we have evidence that the NAACP publicly tried to force the Tea Party to do something it is already doing.

What does that evidence tell you??

I am also constrained to point out that there is evidence that many on the Left wanted to attend Tea Party gatherings for the expressed purpose of causing racial strife by making outrageous racist statements that, they hoped, would be attributed to the Tea Party.

Did the NAACP condemn THOSE people???

No, they did not..

*MY* entire point has been that the NAACP should clean it's OWN house first before it tries to condemn racism from other organizations.

If they did, the NAACP would have a LOT more credibility...

As things are now, the NAACP has absolutely ZERO credibility in condemning racism in others...

ZERO... ZILCH... NADA.... NONE....

Michale.....

That's funny, CB. You don't seem to have any issue posting links when you believe you have evidence ... but I'll move past that. As for reading materials, I tend to appreciate any source that can present credible evidence rather than looking at the media through a "Left/Right prism" like yourself :).

But back to Sherrod ...

The NAACP's intent was to ask the Tea Party to "repudiate racist elements" within their group. Example: Mark Williams.

The Tea Party itself doesn't seem to have a problem w/ this. They canned Williams. And they've been working to do things like ban certain signs at their rallies. I commend them for this.

So if everyone seems to agree about this, what's all the hubbub about?

Well, it seems there's a belief that the NAACP called the Tea Party racist.

This is what Michale was upset about. This is what seemed to upset you, CB. And it confused me because I couldn't figure out where this was coming from. It seemed to me like we all agreed here.

Here's a good example to show what I think is going on.

http://www.examiner.com/x-39852-DC-RNC-Examiner~y2010m7d25-Sarah-Palin-Defends-Tea-Party-from-Racism-Charge

The article gets it right: "The NAACP did not brand the entire movement as racist, but called on its national leaders to take a stand against racism."

But then here's what Sarah Palin comes out and says:
"I am saddened by the NAACP’s claim that patriotic Americans who stand up for the United States of America’s Constitutional rights are somehow 'racists.'"

And honestly, I hate to use Sarah Palin here because I'll probably get accused of Palin bashing even though I'm just quoting her. But she is pushing this notion that the NAACP is calling all Tea Partiers racists.

And it seems to be the conservative pundit line. They're trying to create a controversy when really, even the Tea Party itself seems to agree with what the NAACP said.

Now if I were a conservative and all I read was that Sarah Palin quote, I'd think that the NAACP was calling me a racist.

And I'd be mad.

Just like Michale was justifiably mad when he thought I was trying to argue that the Tea Party was racist.

So CB, I agree with you that people should look at different news sources. But I'd add that when looking at different news sources, you have to be a bit skeptical and look at what's supported by evidence.

Cheers
David

The link for that above quote is:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Some-insurers-stop-writing-apf-1129458619.html?x=0&.v=1

Michale.....

In Florida, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Aetna, and Golden Rule -- a subsidiary of UnitedHealthcare -- notified the insurance commissioner that they will stop issuing individual policies for children, said Jack McDermott, a spokesman for McCarty.

Is CrapCare truly "better than nothing"???

Michale.....

When he had been condemning the Arizona Law for weeks and then admitted that he hadn't read it, that he was going by media reports, that was a clear clue that Holder HAS no clue..

The fact that Holder went ahead with a lawsuit anyways is further evidence of Holder's disconnect from reality..

The trouncing that the judge gave the government's case at the hearing is a clear example as to how effective they lawsuit against AZ will be.

It's as I predicted when the lawsuit was first announced. It's a moronic lawsuit that Obama brought in an effort to appease the Hispanic voters. And now, Democrats are going to get double slammed. The first time, from the Right, for bringing the lawsuit. And the second time, from the Left Hispanics, for doing such a piss poor job of bringing the lawsuit..

Democrats just can't seem to catch a break...

Michale.....

Oh, I dunno.. I kinda like Gibbs.

His job must be the worst job in the world. Trying to put positive SPIN on all the crap and garbage that has resulted from the actions and inactions of this administration.

Michale.....

Obama said it would LOWER premiums!!!

LOL. As all surprises would have it, it turns out that Obama/Pelosi/Reid were either innocently mistaken or lying through their teeth about the CBO figures, just as Republicans had stated all along. Take a wild guess which scenario my money is on. :D

Well, Emanuel is pretty much a given. Word came out a couple of weeks ago that he would be leaving after the election, and he hasn't exactly denied it. As for Holder, it's gonna be a little tough trying to pin poor turnout on him. I mean, nobody's gonna buy that. If Holder is ousted, it's gonna be because he's too controversial and radioactive, at this point. (Particularly with the New Black Panthers/whistleblower thing brewing now, with the Republicans calling for an independent counsel, or special prosecutor, or whatever they're calling them these days.)

I think Rahm is the only one up there who has a clue. And I hear that part of the reason he's leaving is that he can't tolerate the Kumbaya crowd that Obama surrounds himself with. I hope, for Obama's sake, that he has the wherewithal to replace him with a good, solid, uncontroversial Washington insider. If he wants to get reelected, he's gonna need one.

Yes ... well, then ... any Mad Men fans around here?

I have read seen the ads for it.

What's it about? Good show??

CB,

Better question: Why does Eric Holder still have a job?

After the debacle that will be the MidTerm elections, I predict that Emmanuel and Holder will "resign"....

Rightly or wrongly, those two will likely receive the blame for the bad showing of Democrats.

Michale.....

Uh Uh!!! No way!!!

Obama said it would LOWER premiums!!!

Michale.....

Better question: Why does Eric Holder still have a job?

GOP Lawmakers Call for Investigation Into Alleged Racial Politics of Justice Dept.

Republicans on the Senate and House Judiciary Committees are calling for an investigation into allegations that the Justice Department wrongly abandoned a case against the New Black Panther Party and has adopted a policy to ignore voting rights violations against white victims...
http://www.chris11962.com/blog/files/9e6843c86d4ba5f1d81034740a8b3deb-57.html

It's really amazing that any civilized human being could actually support such brutal health "care".

I saids it before and I'll says it again...

The Democrat's Health Care Reform (AKA CrapCare) is not Healthy, doesn't Care and is NOTHING like Reform, no way, no how...

Anyone disagree???

Michale......

Here's the CrapCare Obama's new czar is so thrilled about. This is what we're looking at down the road. Neato, huh?

http://tinyurl.com/3789ymx

I wonder how long the crowd was laughing after that.... :D

I wonder how long before insurance lobbyist Karen Ignagni is on the phone, whipping Obama back into shape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PwqSCJmbxk

I read that, at Netroots, Harry Reid was a speaker.

He said that there WILL be a public option for HealthCare...

I wonder how long the crowd was laughing after that.... :D

Michale.....

I think you may be pressing your luck here ... if you know what I mean and I'm sure that you do! :)

If we really job it, maybe we can get this thread up past 200.. :D

CB,

I sure would love to know what was cut out.

Oh, I am sure that the NAACP will come clean and release the redacted section... :D

Yea, and monkees are gonna fly outta my butt.... :D

Michale.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqiJE4pa9Y0

I sure would love to know what was cut out.

The guy had a political gun to his head when he made his so-called repudiation. And that's after fighting it, and trying to weave excuses and talk his way around it. The only reason he even reluctantly made it was because he was on live TV and the spot, the NAACP's credibility (which is hard to state without laughing) was on the line. Political duress is the only reason a repudiation is even now on the record.

I figured I needed to pad this thread, because it is WAY too short... :D

I think you may be pressing your luck here ... if you know what I mean and I'm sure that you do! :)