Michale.....

Couldn't have said it better myself.. :D

Michale.....

It's being reported that Congressman Sestak could not sit on the Presidential Advisory Board that Clinton offered because a sitting CongressCritter cannot sit on such boards...

Get that?

Obama/Rahm/Clinton offered Sestak a "job" that Sestak COULD NOT even have accepted even if Sestak WANTED to!!!

Com'on people..

I have too much respect for ya'alls intelligence to think that ya'all could EVER believe such obvious and blatant felgercarb...

Like I said..

It's not the crime..

It's the cover-up...

Just like with Watergate...

Obama's I-AM-NOT-A-CROOK moment is coming...

Michale.....

OK, fair enough..

Then I guess we can finally lay to rest that complete and utter "Change You Can Believe In" crap that Obama continues to shovel, right??

Michale.....

Yes YOU would think it a nontroversy... Maybe... But once again, you simply are the exception that emphasizes the rule...

But the simple fact is, while the original crime was, indeed, a crime the issue now is the cover-up...

Do you honestly believe the BS story??? The story that came about the very day after a Sestak, Obama and Clinton all met privately??

But then Dubya promised to have the "most ethical White House in history" and more of his folks went to jail than any previous president.

Do you have a cite for this?? I am not disputing you, but I would like to read the background behind that...

Just because Sestak said something doesn't mean it is factual or any sort of absolute and final answer to all questions. And even if you were right, if Sestak is now not confirming his original statement, how exactly is he a credible witness?

Exactly...

That is why this needs to be investigated further.. Obviously, there are facts that haven't been aired yet..

So, let's investigate and get down to the facts...

Since Obama ran on a platform of transparency, he shouldn't have a problem with an investigation, right???

But you are right about one thing...

Obama has totally decimated his claim that he brings a "change" to DC politics..

Obama has, once again, been proven to be a liar...

But there's nothing illegal about any of it, because it happens all the time in politics

Just because it happens all the time doesn't mean it's not illegal...

Lots of illegal things happen all the time. Does that make them legal?

Of course not...

I'm not sure how parsing every word he said is meaningful, really.

Who's parsing?? I am merely showing what Sestak said.

Sestak said, "White House Official"... Clinton doesn't met that definition.

Sestak said, "the job was high-ranking".... Being a non-payed member of an intelligence council hardly qualifies whatsoever...

As I said, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up..

And yes, I honestly believe that if a GOP president got caught in a cover-up of this nature, I think the Left would be going bat-shit...

And I think you would agree with me on that, no??

Irregardless, I am sure this will go away as well... Obama will survive this scandal as well...

But, it's one more check in the LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE boxes for this administration...

When I sit back and recall how the commenters here screamed LIAR at every Bush utterance and then see how they ignore REAL lies from their chosen one....

Well, you can see why I am so amused... :D

And in about 9 months or so when we have a GOP majority again and in 2 years and 9 months when we have a GOP president again, the shoe will be back on the other foot and I can sit back and watch the Hysterical (and not so Hysterical) Left go ape-shit over ever little thing that the GOP does...

And you can bet I will be enjoying myself immensely pointing out the hypocrisy.. :D

Just as I do now... :D

"But, as we say on Earth... C'est la vie"
-Admiral James T Kirk, STAR TREK II The Wrath Of Kahn

Michale.....

I know you may find it hard to believe, but I would call it a non-troversy even if it were a GOP president. This is how politics works, it's just a fact. I believe I even said something along these lines when the Blagojevich story broke -- how Blaggy was getting railroaded for doing something all politicians do, simply because he was slightly more blunt in his language than others.

Deals happen all the time. It's part of the political game, on both sides. It's fun to complain about, but it ain't gonna change any time soon.

Judd Gregg was offered a deal -- a guaranteed Republican to replace his Senate seat. The guy sitting in Biden's Senate seat made a deal -- he would be a chair-warmer, and not run. I can remember deals like this at least as far back as Reagan, the only difference is that nobody made the slightest complaint about any of them before Obama was in the White House. He's being held to a different standard.

Of course, he himself invited this, which I mentioned in the article. The only problem here is a perception problem or a PR problem, not a legal problem. You don't think Bill Clinton is smart enough to know what is technically legal and what is not, and to frame his language accordingly? I think Bubba is that smart, personally (by any meaning of the word "is"... sorry, couldn't resist that one).

The real story here is that Obama was actually keeping his word -- in the ORIGINAL deal here. When Specter jumped the aisle, he was assured that Obama and the PA governor would do everything they could to clear the field for him in the primary. Approaching Sestak was part of this original deal. But there's nothing illegal about any of it, because it happens all the time in politics, and all of these folks are smart enough not to do anything technically illegal while doing so. And if they didn't do anything technically illegal, then no law was broken.

There's no crime here, in other words. Sestak was speaking off the cuff to a reporter, and not under oath in a court of law or anything. I'm not sure how parsing every word he said is meaningful, really. Just because Sestak said something doesn't mean it is factual or any sort of absolute and final answer to all questions. And even if you were right, if Sestak is now not confirming his original statement, how exactly is he a credible witness?

I'll say it once again -- Obama is being held, in the Sestak matter, to a standard which NO other president was ever held to. Partly, this was self-inflicted with his promises to be transparent and end politics-as-usual. But then Dubya promised to have the "most ethical White House in history" and more of his folks went to jail than any previous president. But I didn't notice Fox News obsessing over it at the time...

-CW

Assumes facts not in evidence..

According to the original Sestak story, a crime was committed.. Illegal *AND* unethical.

Even with the Obama/Clinton/Sestak BS, a crime was still technically committed...

But, of course, no one with more than 2 brain cells to rub together would believe the current spin...

It's a nice fairytale to feed to Lenin's "useful idiots", but in the reality of the here and now, it's complete and utter carp.... :D

Michale....

If the prospective appointee is doing something in exchange, yes. If the prospective appointee is unqualified, probably, even if they don't have to actually do any quid-pro-quo. But I don't think any law prohibits being aware of the political ramifications of an appointment.

"...times have changed and the ethics have changed and the scrutiny has changed."

As in, there was a time when the attempts to stir up scandal over non-issues weren't so one-sided?

"pin it on a scapegoat, and fire him"

Now that would be sort of sleazy, particularly given that in fact there was nothing illegal or unethical that such a person might have been responsible for.

The way to deal with an image problem is to do two things (1) put an incompatible bit of imagery out in public view, so that it's more prominent and persuasive than the problem one, and (2) have the problem image not resonate with any problem in the core of who the public thinks you are. No one would have cared about Dan Quayle reading a wrong answer off a list of spelling-bee words after the student spelled the word right, if they hadn't been worried about his competence to begin with. If a problem image amplifies something that was already shaping up to be a deal-breaker, you're probably hosed no matter what other imagery you put out there.

in other words, someone who was not even in the administration at the time suggested secondhand that a job MIGHT be available very early on in the campaign.

Clinton is NOT a "White House official".. Therefore the recent crap release.. er I mean news release, is not the same story that Sestak initially stated...

There is also the discrepancy that Sestak "allowed that it was a high level job" that was offered in exchange for dropping out of the primary.....

This is not in keeping with the current crap... er I mean news... That the "job" offered was was just a non-paying "job" on some Presidential council..

While this crap does give the impression that nothing untoward happened, it's clear that the claim does not jive with what Sestak initially said happened...

In short, only someone who is already enamored with Obama would believe this crap...

I mean, seriously... Obama, Clinton and Sestak get together the day before this "explanation" is released..

Are ya'all really THAT gullible???

I highly doubt it...

Ergo, ya'all have political reasons to believe this story is true..

Reasons that have absolutely NO basis in reality and the facts....

Michale....

lenore answered: re:Tell us how you think President Barack Obama has handled the economic crisis so far. What's he done right? And what's he gotten wrong?...

First off, Sestak said he was contacted by a "White House Official"... Bill Clinton does not fit that description.

Secondly, Sestak claims that he was offered a "job"... One can logically theorize that such a "job" would be comparable to being a Senator.

A non-paying seat on some board or council would hardly qualify as a "job" by ANY stretch of the imagination, let alone a job that would be comparable to being a Senator.

The only people who are buying this cockamamie story are the ones who still believe anything and everything this administration says....

But, like I said above, I have to give credit where credit is due.. Obama hit upon the ONE story that would allow him to extricate himself from this situation with some semblance of honor..

That fact that it's all bullshit is besides the point.. Ya gotta give Obama points for hitting on the right story...

Michale.....

It's only been "established" in your imagination, because the reality, AND the facts say different.

Please post the text of the law that states that a person must be a declared candidate before such a bribe would constitute a crime.

You can't, because it just ain't so.

Basically, I don't see the blood and I don't see the foul.

Of course you don't.. Or, more accurately, you won't.

That is because you are a Democrat first and foremost. All other considerations, like facts, are secondary to you.

You and I both know that you would be singing a MUCH different tune if it was a GOP Administration..

Don't bother denying it because we both know it's true....

Michale......

How ugly would THAT get, eh?? :D

Michale.....

I must admit that it IS a good story and does cover all the bases...

Of course, I don't believe it for a second and I doubt anyone else will..

Just ask yerselves one question...

What would ya'alls reaction be if it was a GOP president and this was a GOP's explanation of the events in question..

Ya'all wouldn't buy it for a micro second..

But credit where credit is due..

Obama came up with a real good story..

How do I know it's only a fabrication???

If it were the truth, it would have come out LONG before this...

Michale....

Awesome usage of a relevant movie quote! :D Kudos..

As to the meat of your post, I am kinda tied up right now.. But I'll get back to it once I digest the news...

CW,

Ya see, I KNEW that using that Dredd quote would land me in hot water... :D

Michale...

See, you had a perfectly good Judge Dredd quote, and then you had to ruin the whole thing by putting Stallone's name on it.

Allow me to demonstrate the proper usage for you:

"Six months in the isolation cubes for you, punk!"
-Judge Dredd

There, that was easy, wasn't it? We'll be awaiting your release around Thanksgiving...

-CW

if we applied this standard to Congress there would be no incumbents left.

and this would be a bad thing?

There would be no candidates for office, either.

yes there would, just not the kind that gets away with legalized large-scale corruption on a daily basis. the president is in a tough position because he's partly responsible for creating this impossible standard to begin with. that said, somebody is clearly making a mountain out of this particular molehill. why? because they can.

Michale,

If Sestak is telling the truth, then a crime has been committed...

from themorningcall.com:
"Former President Bill Clinton called Joe Sestak last summer at the request of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to offer him a position on a senior executive branch advisory committee..."

in other words, someone who was not even in the administration at the time suggested secondhand that a job MIGHT be available very early on in the campaign. there's no evidence clinton opposed the senate run at that time, much less that he (maybe) suggested the (possible) job (potentially) for that reason. Sestak clearly interpreted it that way, but it'd be damn near impossible to prove his interpretation correct. i.e. at worst it's unethical, but it's definitely not illegal.

or in the words of your own favorite source of quotations:

"Kaffee: You and Dawson, you both live in the same dreamworld. It doesn't matter what I believe. It only matters what I can prove! So please, don't tell me what I know, or don't know; I know the law!"

the court of public opinion, however, has a much lower standard of proof. so maybe that's what you were talking about.

Would ya'all think this a "nontroversy" if it was a GOP president and a GOP majority in Congress??

Of course not...

Everyone here would be all over it like white on rice if it was a GOP president.

Ergo, this is NOT a "nontroversy"...

Simple logic...

Now that THAT particular question is settled, let's move on...

As to whether a crime has been committed or not...

Was Sestak offered a job to quit the primary race.

According to Sestak, the answer is YES.. Sestak has been asked this question a half a dozen times and the answer has always been the same..

YES.

So, this settles the question as to whether or not a crime has been committed.

If Sestak is telling the truth, then it is obvious to anyone who has a politically objective bone in their body that, YES, a crime has been committed.

So, what have we learned about the facts..

1. This is NOT a nontroversy.

and

B. If Sestak is telling the truth, then a crime has been committed...

But I do agree with one thing...

It's probably taking so long because the WH lawyers are trying to figure out the best way to spin the story so that they are true to the facts, but also don't incriminate Obama and his cronies in a criminal investigation..

I also agree that Obama's options are limited and he is going to get slammed no matter what he fesses up to...

I have no sympathy for him, however. This is what happens when you start believing your own Press Releases and think that you are above the law..

Obama's problem is he thinks he is Judge Dredd..

"I have never broken the law!!! I AM THE LAW!!!!"
-Sylvester Stallone, JUDGE DREDD

ooooo I know that THAT quote is going to get me into trouble with TPTB... :D

Michale.....

I agree this is a nontroversy. But the Republicans, led by Issa, are trying to fan the flames, so for PR reasons, the WH needs to get ahead of this. Per Sestak, this is going to happen tomorrow, in the traditional "Friday before a holiday weekend" WH "take out the trash" news dump, so look for it to come within hours.

On a personal note, my emails to you seem to be being bounced by your server's MAILER DAEMON. Just a heads-up...

Yeah right -

You know, I was thinking of another baseball metaphor, which didn't make it in to the article: "The whole thing is like bringing a baseball player up on grand theft charges for stealing second base."

-CW

Now while we are getting back to the basics Obama has failed to use his biggest assets since day one -- The people. Babe Ruth had it, Barry Bonds had it, Tony Lesorta even had it and maybe for Obama it is too late (like Ruth and Bonds) but it is fine time he puts a switch hitter on the mound for the left handed pitches the Republics keep using. What Americas needs is not business as usual but a massive building project. One that would involve creating jobs for generations to come.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/sestak_couldnt_have_been_nomin.html

Bear in mind that Sestak has a fine record and would be right for any plum DoD-related slot, a wet one especially but not necessarily. The job offer occured before Sestak was a declared candidate, as we have already established in a previous post's comment thread. Ergo:

"Republicans insist that laws were broken. Democrats call this laughable."

Basically, I don't see the blood and I don't see the foul. I see a zero-tolerance policy that has never been inflicted on any president. The only change agent in town is being pilloried for a crime that, at the time, was not a crime.

This nontroversy reflects the general obsession with Obama among the liberal-left. As I've argued before, Congress is the change agency:

http://tinyurl.com/progres

Chris, if we applied this standard to Congress there would be no incumbents left. There would be no candidates for office, either.

I don't apologize for the WH. What's more, I don't think I have to.