That came out WAY to flippant and I apologize to anyone that might have been offended.

What I meant was that I don't like to take such a serious tragedy as terrorism and apply it to a situation that doesn't involve any loss of life or horrific injuries..

Having said that, the comparison IS apt as both terrorism and boycotts invariably hurt innocent people while the object of the "attack" usually feels no pain...

The NAACP boycotts of the Southern States that didn't bow to their will is a perfect example of this point.

So is L.A.'s boycott of Arizona. The innocent people in L.A. will pay the price, not anyone in the Arizona government...

Michale...

As an aside to CW, I know you have asked me not to post entire commentaries from others, but I hope you will indulge me just this once. It's actually quite short and I think you would agree with Mr Cavuto's points, especially since it hits so close to home for you.. Literally. :D

So a city in California — a state that is broke — wants to stop doing business with Arizona; a state that is not. And simply because Arizona is a state not accepting business as usual on illegal immigration.

Too arrogant to see they live in a big glass house they can't even pay for, and foisting a distraction on their very voters they clearly don't give a damn for.

-Neil Cavuto
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,592822,00.html

I admit, it's a stretch... But it IS applicable..

Consider the NAACP and their boycott of South Carolina..

Who was hurt by that?? Not the state, but rather the mom & pop vendors and businesses who were mostly black..

An aspect of terrorism amounts to inflicting harm on innocent people to force action by a government..

The NAACP boycott certainly fits that description.. So does L.A.'s boycott of Arizona. More on that in my next post...

So, while I hesitate to defend such a label TOO vigorously, as it feels somewhat Holocaust-y (you know what I mean) there IS logic to the comparison...

I haven't heard about the Ann Arbor thing, so do tell.

To sum up, a black Vice Principle at a Jr High School (I believe) had the "great" idea, as a way to instill racial pride, to take some black students to talk to a black rocket scientist. No really, he was a real rocket scientist. :D Anyways, the black students got so full of racial pride that they taunted other students who weren't able to go on the field trip because they weren't black..

THAT is the danger with "instilling pride" in children.. Because it invariably comes at the expense of another group..

But I do disagree with you on the "marching thru the streets like a bunch of spoiled brats" thing. Those students were exercising their constituional rights just as much as the flag-wearers were.

No, they were not.

My apologies, I left out one important fact. Or rather, I did not explain the issue fully...

The students were marching thru the streets when they SHOULD have been in school.. In other words, they were skipping school..

I would wager that the vast majority of the marchers didn't give a rat's ass about any political issue. They just thought it was a great way to skip out of classes..

You do, rather ham-handedly, raise a good point, though:

That's my middle name. Ham-Handedly :D

Should whites be accorded the same sort of specialization that minorities routinely get from our educational system, whether K-12 or collegiate, and why or why not?

Exactly...

From Affirmative Action to the Ann Arbor fiasco to the Cinco De Mayo fiasco.

It's all a case of racial/ethnic discrimination..

Racial/ethnic discrimination to address racial/ethnic discrimination is NEVER a good idea...

Michale....

One of these days, sooner or later, some Democrat is going to bring up Cuba in the midst of all the "Amnesty!" cries from the Right. I'll be interested to see how it plays out, and whether Marco Rubio gets burned by it. That's all I have to say for now.

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Oh, po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to. I mean, seriously, you consider the freedom to boycott some form of "economic terrorism"? Puh-LEEZE. I consider it "freedom to spend your money where you like," personally. I don't see how you can spin this one, myself. Freedom is freedom, and that extends to how I spend my money, thank you very much.

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Here's a great article which sums up my feelings on the ethnic studies law.

LewDan [5] -

I completely agree.

Michale [6] -

I haven't heard about the Ann Arbor thing, so do tell. But the Cinco de Mayo thing, I'm actually on the right-wingers' side. I've been meaning to write about the flag flap, but events have interceded. My position: Abbie Hoffman was right. The CdM kids were right. Both had a flavor of assholishness, I have to admit, but both were right in their own separate way. I have more to say on this, but you can check out pretty much any July 4th column of mine and you'll get the flavor.

But I do disagree with you on the "marching thru the streets like a bunch of spoiled brats" thing. Those students were exercising their constituional rights just as much as the flag-wearers were. Both are to be (on some level) admired. The marchers were peaceful, and exercising their right to assembly and petition of redress. Ok, they cut school to do so, but still....

You do, rather ham-handedly, raise a good point, though:

Imagine the howling and outcry from the Left if there was "ethnic studies" of the Confederacy and/or white southern rednecks..

While schools in the South have routinely offered this as their mainstream history (see the argument about "the War of Northern Agression" versus the "Civil War" for instance, in schoolbooks) which is exclusive of all other viewpoints, you do have a valid point. Because whites are the majority, they are forever barred from any sort of "ethnic" studies or pride or separate dorms or any of the rest of it. This is due to a rather long and ugly history, of course, but it is still a valid point. Even if the white surpremicists make the same point, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed. Should whites be accorded the same sort of specialization that minorities routinely get from our educational system, whether K-12 or collegiate, and why or why not?

Liz [7] -

Ahh! David! Step back from the edge!

LewDan [8] -

Texas is even going after whites now, and scrubbing Thomas Jefferson from their curriculum, because he was such a danged lib-rul. It's not only ethnicities that get repressed in history books, it's anyone who doesn't fit in with the current political correctness (as Texans define that term). Ironic, isn't it?

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This is an excellent observation, and one with wide-spread ramifications. Righties all but worship the "rule of law" right up until it infringes upon what they are used to doing, then it immediately becomes "tyranny" from a "government out of control." Seriously, this is an excellent philosophical point, and I'm glad you made it.

-CW

Whenever ya'all say "ethnic studies" I picture C. Thomas Howell in SOUL MAN, all decked out in black militant gear, walking into a study group of black students, who are all clean cut and avidly studying their subjects..

:D

Michale.....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/holder-hasnt-read-ariz-law-he-criticized/

AG Holder, even though he felt qualified to condemn it, hasn't read it yet either.

{{{sssssiiiiigggggghhhhhhh}}}

Don't ya'all just pine for the days where people actually read stuff BEFORE they jumped all over it and screamed hysterically how bad it is???

I know that I sure do....

Michale.....

. if you check out this webcam of the Iceland volcano - RIGHT NOW! - you can see ... is that our David!? Heh

DAVID!!! NO!!!! DON'T GO INTO THE LIGHT!!! :D

LD,

What is wrong with instilling pride in children?

Absolutely nothing.. Unless, of course such instillation of pride comes at the expense of another group... As happens practically every time, as my examples have shown...

Especially with children so young..

A Jr High School has absolutely NO BUSINESS throwing a Blacks-Only field trip... A High School has absolutely NO BUSINESS enforcing a Mexicans-Only holiday...

It's become clear that diversity is the casualty of "ethnic studies" and only bigotry and prejudice wins...

by conservatives, Republicans, or racists, (assuming there's still a difference between the three,)

I rest my case....

Michale.....

Cherry-picking which laws matter and which don't based on their agenda, which citizens matter and which don't.

I know that intellectual honesty, or honesty of any sort for that matter, is not a concept embraced by conservatives, Republicans, or racists, (assuming there's still a difference between the three,) but you weary me. You truly do.

What is wrong with instilling pride in children? How is refusing to teach the history and culture of people of color while continuing to teach the history and culture of white Europeans "color-blind?" Why would anyone want to teach a "color-blind" curriculum absent any references to any culture, since its not possible or productive to teach a "color-blind" class referencing every culture?

Its easy to see why so many white "low-information" voters swell the Republican ranks and why conservatives are constantly promoting ignorance. They are against teaching biology, and science in general, and now the history and social studies of any non-white ethnicity.

Apparently the revisionist, white supremacist, view of America extends to the Civil War being an "ethnic event." As if the thousands of black people involved played no role in either the fight or its cause. As if U.S. "patriots" routinely celebrate mass treason and the losing side in wars normally "commemorate" their losses with pride.

And that only the "pride" of white southerners matter as if their are no Americans in the south who aren't white, no sons or daughters of slaves to be offended, no northern Americans whose forebears were killed by Confederates.

There is nothing "color-blind" about the revisionist reality promoted by racist white-supremacists and their Republican allies. That everything in America is about whites. That everything in America is for whites. That whites alone, as the constant victims of "discrimination," are ever vigilant in defending themselves with policies that "just happen" to disadvantage people of color.

Racist whites are horrified at the teaching of history and science but all for promoting their white-supremacist fantasies at taxpayer, and the nation's, expense. Racist whites have been telling that lie that "they're only trying to be fair" for at least a century and a half now but fewer and fewer are fooled, and they are absolutely terrified of people of color coming into power and treating them the way they've always treated people of color.

The lack of sympathy you observe is in recognition of their lies and hypocrisy; that their fears are the least of the retribution they so richly have earned, and continue to earn, for themselves.

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

In theory, you are correct..

However, the practice is quite a bit different, as we have seen of late.

The mentioned Ann Arbor school fiasco and the Cinco De Mayo fiasco are just but two examples of how "ethnic studies" are actually an excuse for ethnic pride at the expense of those who do not share the same ethnicity..

Then we see Mexican students breaking the law and "demanding" respect.

Respect cannot be demanded.. It must be earned. And marching thru the streets like a bunch of spoiled brats because a few students had the audacity, the unmitigated GALL to wear clothing with American flags on them, is NOT the way to earn respect...

Anyways, my point is still valid..

Imagine the howling and outcry from the Left if there was "ethnic studies" of the Confederacy and/or white southern rednecks..

Actually, we don't HAVE to imagine it. It's already happened... One only has to recall the recent incidents where one fraternity was celebrating a southern ethnic event and was vilified by the Left Wing Media.. Or the incidents where a southern state Governor wanted a holiday to commemorate a southern ethnic event. The Hysterical Left went ballistic...

It seems that the Hysterical Left is all about "ethnic studies" and the like.. Except when it comes to the ethnicity of White Americans...

Where is the "ethnic" sensitivity amongst the Hysterical Left when it comes to the white southern redneck ethnic group, eh?? Hell, even the white American ethnic group can't catch a break from the Hysterical Left.

"Ethnic Studies" are simply another way to elevate one specific group over another. It's bigoted in it's approach and it's bigoted in it's execution. And it suffocates diversity rather than enhancing diversity.

Arizona is right to do away with them and make everyone equal in the eyes of the school curriculum..

Isn't equality what it is all about??

Isn't a color-blind or ethnic-blind school curriculum the desired goal???

Michale.....

One again you're an apologist for bigotry. Ethnic studies is not an activity. When the ethnicity is white European its simply called history and social studies as if no other ethnicity exists. Ethnic studies classes exist to redress the balance because of the overwhelming white European bias in American education and to give non-white students the same opportunity white students enjoy to learn something of their heritage, have positive role models and develop self-esteem. Ethnic studies classes are not restricted to certain ethnicities. Diversity is indeed served by learning about cultures other than just white European.

But the last thing many white Americans want is to be reduced to the stature of people of color. Even worse they are not about to educate non-whites into believing they are the equals of whites.

Maybe someone will challenge the "history" and "social studies" curriculum as illegal since they are predominately white European ethnic studies classes. After all if there ever was or is racism in America its white people who are the victims which is why they pass laws like this to defend themselves.--Or so their apologists" keep insisting.

As we saw in that Ann Arbor school, when you promote activities that are EXCLUSIVE to race or ethnic group, how is this promoting diversity??

How can you say on the one hand that race or ethnicity is irrelevant but then on the other hand have studies or groups or field trips that exclude people based on race or ethnic background??

Imagine if, in Alabama, the Universities wanted to have "ethnic studies" about the Confederacy and only white southern rednecks could participate in those classes...

Ya'all would have a conniption fit and rightly so....

ANY type of emphasis placed on race or ethnic background is INHERENTLY bigoted...

And ya'all are AGAINST instituting a learning curriculum that is completely unbiased and race/ethnic neutral??

WOW...

I HAVE been transported to an alternate reality, haven't I.....

Michale.....

I actually thought that the American people have grown up significantly in the last few years..

Silly me...

Michale......

No, it's because Kennedy and the Democrats screwed the Cubans over so very, very much and they (Kennedy and the Democrats) were the cause of so very very many Cuban deaths.

THAT is why any Cuban who becomes feet-dry on US soil is granted amnesty..

My hope is that as a consequence of what Arizona is doing Congress and the White House will be forced to put immigration reform on the agenda sooner rather than later.

Here, here...

Michale.....

I agree that the GOP appears to be playing it safe politically by choosing Tampa for the 2012 convention out of self interest and not because they disagree with what Arizona is doing.

...Stan