You got any proof Obama or the White House offered Sestak a job?

I have Sestak's word...

Rep. Joe Sestak (D., Pa.) said yesterday that the White House offered him a federal job in an effort to dissuade him from challenging Sen. Arlen Specter in the state's Democratic primary.

"No comment," Sestak said.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Sestak-I-turned-down-Obamas-bribe-84790707.html

Now, if you (like Shirley over there) want to call Sestak a liar, that's kewl..

He *IS* a Democrat, after all.. :D hehehehehe Sorry, low blow.. :D

Probably should have said, "He *IS* a politician after all.. Probably more bi-partisan.. :D

Anyways, if Sestak's word is true there can be no doubt that a felony was committed..

Of course, ole Gibbsy has been stonewalling the whole inquiry so....

You seem awfully quick on the trigger to assume anyone's guilty here, though, I have to say.

Considering the initial report came from a "real" Democrat (as opposed to a SPECTER-type Democrat) and the White House has refused to deny it, I would say that I am on pretty safe ground with the accusation..

Wouldn't you? :D

If you want any more info on it, just GOOGLE 'Sestak' and 'bribe'.. You will get a wealth of info...

Oh, OK, you're calling Osborne "Shirley"... but why? Has he never seen "Airplane"?

It's all implied. They know what to say and what not to say, in other words.

All I know is what Sestak said happened.. That, coupled with the White House stonewalling..... What would a reasonable person infer??

Both sides do it. I'm not saying it's right or anything, just that that's the way it is.

Yes, YOU say both sides do it and you're right. YOU even condemn both sides when they do it.. That's why I am waiting for you to chime in on the Sestak bribe.. :D

But my point was that YOU are (once again) the exception that emphasizes the rule. Not a peep from anyone else here about it?? Yet, if it had been a Republican Administration...???

Well, do I need to go on?? :D

I mean, there are those on here who even deny it's a crime, even though the law is very black and white... That same person would be screaming for the head of the President, if it had been a GOP president..

True?? :D

Michale.....

If an incumbent loses a primary race, shouldn't the winner of the primary become the de-facto legislator??

Um, no. And stop calling me 'Shirley'! Heh.

You got any proof Obama or the White House offered Sestak a job? I have to admit, I haven't heard of this, one way or the other, so I've got an open mind, but in general I bet even if it took place it'd be impossible to prove in a court of law. Even convicting Blagojevich is going to be tough, most likely, and they've got reams of tape of his phone calls. Just thought I'd throw that in there, without knowing any of the facts or accusations in this case.

You seem awfully quick on the trigger to assume anyone's guilty here, though, I have to say.

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Oh, OK, you're calling Osborne "Shirley"... but why? Has he never seen "Airplane"?

As for your "case" -- while this sort of thing happens all the time in the world of politics (in both parties), because almost all concerned are lawyers, nothing technically illegal is ever phrased anywhere near as explicitly as you imagine. It's all implied. They know what to say and what not to say, in other words.

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Which, like I said, is where Blaggy might skate -- all they need is "reasonable doubt" which (as any good lawyer knows) is awfully easy to manufacture. So I wouldn't get your hopes up, even if it did happen remotely as you suggest.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything here about Democrats. I'm saying "politicians think they're above the law, mostly because they write those laws," but I wouldn't put any particular party label on that. Both sides do it. I'm not saying it's right or anything, just that that's the way it is.

-CW

Chris, does this mean every administration can be prosecuted for every appointment it has ever offered?

Yes, if there was a quid pro quo, then every administration who offered such quid pro quo can be prosecuted.

Let me break it down for you because apparently you cannot grasp the concept.

If I am the President of the United States and I come to you and say, "Shirley.. I really don't want you to run against our newest bestest friend, Arlen Specter."

You would come back with, "But Mr President, I don't know if I am even going to run or not."

And I say, "Yea I know, Shirley. But, if you DON'T run against our newest bestest friend, I'll make you Secretary Of The Navy."

THAT is what occurred between the Obama White House and Congress-critter Sestak, according to said Congress-critter Sestak...

And THAT is illegal.. A Class 2 Felony, if I am not mistaken. Could be Class 3.

Irregardless, it IS a felony..

Now I know what you are thinking, Shirley. You are thinking, "Well, it's not a REAL felony, because it was committed by a Democrat administration. Or maybe it's a REAL felony, but it's not big deal because everyone knows that Democrats are above the law."

Sad news for you, Shirley..

Democrats are NOT above the Law..

And Obama's White House committed a felony.

These are the facts.

Deal with it..

Now, if you are claiming that Sestak is lying and there was no offer from the White House, then by all means.. Make that claim..

But trying to falsely claim that there was no crime committed when it is perfectly obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that there WAS a crime committed...

Well, that's really disingenuous...

Even for you...

Michale.....

Chris, does this mean every administration can be prosecuted for every appointment it has ever offered? Since Sestak wasn't a declared candidate (and let's face it, he'd be perfectly suited to the SecNavy position), there's no THERE there, no matter how much someone might WANT a "there" there or struggle mightily to invent a "there" there.

The word for this sort of thing is "nontroversy."

Rep. Mollohan's Loss Signals Potential Trouble For Dems
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/11/rep-mollohan-loss-signals-potential-trouble-dems/

It's going to be 1994 on steroids this mid term...

Michale.....

One serious question...

If an incumbent loses a primary race, shouldn't the winner of the primary become the de-facto legislator??

Shirley,

Sestak said it was made over the summer, before he entered the race against incumbent Democrat Sen. Arlen Specter, Pa. Emphasis mine)

You should really leave the law to those who actually understand it..

18 U.S.C. § 600. Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity

Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/600.html

Nothing in the law says that the bribe has to be offered to a person who is already in a political race or not..

Hell, the person being offered the bribe doesn't even have to be announced for the race..

The Obama White House offered Sestak a position in the administration......

... directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit....

.... if Sestak would not run against Specter in the PA DP Primary...

for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office...

Face it, Shirley.. Obama committed a felony.

"These are the facts. And they are undisputed."
-Kevin Bacon, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale.....

Chris, I call nontroversy. In fact, the Washington Examiner reports otherwise:

Sestak said it was made over the summer, before he entered the race against incumbent Democrat Sen. Arlen Specter, Pa. Emphasis mine)

Unless there's a time-machine involved, of course. In which case, let's hold hearings straightaway.

My own home primary is turning into quite a tussle between three very good Democratic candidates. The incumbent Democrat Republican is likely to lose to a teabagging wackaloon.

Do you have any GOOD news for Democrats??

Every primary race you mention still ends up with a Republican winning the Election...

Almost makes me feel sorry for Democrats.. :D

hehehehehehehe

Seriously, though..

Representative Joe Sestak did not go along with this deal.

I am surprised you didn't mention the White House maneuvering on behalf of Specter in PA.. For those who still believe that Obama et al walks on water, it seems that the White House offered Sestak a bribe if he would not challenge Specter in the Primary. That, I believe IS a felony.

"I believe I have just committed my first felony. Yes, yes, I have committed many misdemeanors, but I do believe that is my first felony."
-Oliver Platt, BEETHOVEN

The voters of PA would probably be very interested to know that their President had attempted to illegally influence the Primary election.

This could explain, in part, why Sestak is gaining over Specter...

Regardless, it WILL be nice to see Specter squirm during Kagan's confirmation hearings. :D

Michale.....