Let me quantify this more specifically..

I don't really "hate" anyone.. Well, besides terrorists, but let's not open THAT can o worms...

Let me say that I really don't like how those who are Party ideologues forget that we are all Americans first and foremost and Democrats/Republicans second..

My biggest problem with the Left is that they more often and with greater glee, forget that as opposed to the Right, who also forget it as well, though with less frequency and a lot more grudgingly...

Michale....

Yea, that pretty much sums up my attitude...

CW,

"....there is a certain element of wackadoodle-ism. But this sort of thing happens in any movement, from the Left or the Right (although the specific nature of the wackadoodleness does indeed change as you move on the political spectrum)."

Fair enough.. My point was more geared the general Left Wing, rather than yer specific commentary..

They (the Left) seem to forget their own violent and aggressive history with "wackadoodles". However, on the Left, many are called "terrorists" rather than "wackadoodles"...

And rightly so...

You have bent over backwards to be fair, I will give you that...

But, you are the exception that simply emphasizes the rule...

Michale.....

Good quote! SP's 100th episode, where they took on protesters from both pro-war and anti-war is an excellent example of their philosophy, and why we should welcome both in American life. I quoted from it extensively in FTP[100], I believe, I can dig up the link if you'd like.

Michale -

C'mon, how much more evenhanded can I get than:

"....there is a certain element of wackadoodle-ism. But this sort of thing happens in any movement, from the Left or the Right (although the specific nature of the wackadoodleness does indeed change as you move on the political spectrum)."

Seems to address your points.

-CW

I believe there's a distinct difference though and don't think it can be summed up as easily as both sides do it.

One side holds it as part of their core strategy. The other is willing to compromise and work together, but this goes against what has become the core strategy of the other.

Or something like that. Working through this in a very small window so you may have to bear with me :)

Not that is gets anyone anywhere...

The right was blaming Bill Clinton for just about everything up to and a bit past Obama's inauguration. And when I say the right, I mean pundits and those who parrot what they spew. And there in lies the problem. That right and the left that Michale rallies against are a very small, very small vocal minority who do not really represent the average members of either party...

Yer kidding right...

One only has to look on the pages of any Left Wing Political Blog, including this one, to see how the Left blames the Right for all the ills..

Hell, I don't even have to mention the BUSH years when EVERYTHING bad in the world was because of the Right. At least, according to the LEFT..

I'll get to the rest later, once CW wakes up and fixes the posting area.. :D

Michale.....

I don't see anyone on the left blaming conservatives for everything. Who are you talking about?

When you use a broad brush to say that "liberals blame conservatives for everything", who are you talking about?

I'll be very specific. You are making broad generalizations. Here's one: "Conservatives blame liberals for everything."

Yet in the same paragraph, you seem to be arguing that we shouldn't do this.

I think your key point is really that you don't want me to do this. But it's ok for you to do it because liberals started it. Why do I suddenly feel like I'm in 5th grade?

Do you see what I'm saying? First, you say don't throw stones. Then, you say it's ok to do this because that's what conservatives and liberals do.

Which do you believe, Michale?

-David

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

But we understand why conservatives blame liberals for everything. After all, we are extremely powerful and pretty much rule the world through a secret cabal (we also control Hollywood).

And THAT is my point.. Conservatives blame liberals for everything, just as liberals blame conservatives for everything.

If the Cantor threat had been against a Dem Jewish Congresscritter, ya'all would be ignoring the religious aspect of it, just as I (intentionally) did and try to paint all conservatives with the brush from that one wackadoodle, just as I (intentionally) did..

The Left shouldn't point out and laugh at the wackadoodles on the Right because the Left's wackadoodles are much more violent, aggressive and "arrest-prone"... :D

Compare the number of arrests made at Tea Party conventions and the number of arrests made at Left Wing protests and you'll see what I mean.

Ever hear of "The Battle Of Seattle"?? That wasn't a Right Wing get together..

My overall point is simple. Glass houses and stones, David. Glass houses and stones.

CW,

And, as we all know, Homer Simpson controls the Stonecutters, so, ipso facto (fatso?), Homer Simpson controls Hollywood!

I thought it was Captain Picard who controls the Stonecutters.. :D

Michale.....

You're wrong. The Stonecutters control Hollywood. From "The Simpsons" (lyrics to the "We do!" song):

" Who robs cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do!"

And, as we all know, Homer Simpson controls the Stonecutters, so, ipso facto (fatso?), Homer Simpson controls Hollywood!

Heh. Or something...

-CW

I'm not sure who you're arguing with as I actually said "I think this tea party movement is more than a fringe 'wackadoodle' movement."

No one labelled anyone here so I'm not sure which phantom you're fighting with.

Speaking of jumping to conclusions, in the Eric Cantor case, all I've seen about the motivation of said person is that his video contained anti-semitic references. Unless you've seen evidence otherwise, I'm not sure how you can blame this on the progressive movement.

Even the circumstantial evidence seems to suggest it might be religiously motivated. And even that seems pretty sketchy.

But we understand why conservatives blame liberals for everything. After all, we are extremely powerful and pretty much rule the world through a secret cabal (we also control Hollywood).

Cheers
David

If you like the word "wackadoodles" so much, why don't you use it to label the likes of Code Pink et al for their illegal and disgusting activities??

Why is that???

Michale.....

http://biggovernment.com/amarcus/2010/03/30/video-the-egg-man-of-seachlight-nevada/

Iddn't it amazing that, despite ALL the cell phones and TV Cameras, there hasn't been ONE single video of the alleged gay slurs or racist slurs that Democrats have been whining about..

Now, why do you think that is?? :D

Michale.....

So, you completely denounce the previous "progessive" movement and their actions?? :D

I am also constrained to point out that it was today's "progressive" movement that was throwing eggs and committing other acts of vandalism against the Tea Partiers at their Nevada event..

Not to mention a shot fired and a death threat against Republican Eric Cantor.

Seems like the Left Wingers today have a LOT in common with the 60s/70s radicals, no??

Or maybe I just like saying "wackadoodle" :)

Who wouldn't?? :D

But to get them generally elected, they have to count on Independents staying home or being turned off by the Democrat candidate

It's abundantly clear that Independents are already turned off by the Democrats and their agenda...

The only X-factor is how many the Dems can turn back before the Mid-Terms..

Considering that we are finding out more and more how CrapCare is exactly Crap, I doubt the Dems will be able to turn many..

The 2010 Mid-Terms will make 1994 look like a cake walk by comparison... :D

Remember, you heard it here first..

Michale.....

Also interesting that you're comparing 60s/70s radicalism w/ the progressive movement of today.

I'm with you though that I think this tea party movement is more than a fringe "wackadoodle" movement. Or maybe I just like saying "wackadoodle" :)

So it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Conservatives have cracked the nut of how to get their true believers through primaries - turn out the base.

But to get them generally elected, they have to count on Independents staying home or being turned off by the Democrat candidate (the latter what I think allowed Scott Brown to win Massachusetts).

It will indeed be interesting.
-David

How many people were arrested at the Tea Party shindig??

None.. Zero.. Zilch.. Nada..

Now, let us look at some of the past LEFT Wing movements, shall we??

A 1967 attack on the Pentagon, where thousands tried to break through military police to get into the building.

May Day 1971. 15,000 leftists tried to shut down Washington on a Monday morning by rolling logs onto Canal Road, smashing car windows, blocking traffic circles and wilding in Georgetown.

Students marching under Viet Cong flags chanting, about the man who signed that Civil Rights Act, "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" and, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, the NLF is going to win," when American boys were dying in the hundreds every week fighting the communist NLF?

In 1968 Left Wingers burned ROTC buildings, vandalized professors' offices, toted the guns at Cornell and took over Columbia.

In 1970 an explosion in a Greenwich Village townhouse that killed three radicals and aborted a terrorist bombing of the NCO club at Fort Dix.

Let's look at other Left Wing "get togethers"..

Like the one in Harlem in 1964. How about Watts in 1965, Detroit and Newark in 1967, Washington, D.C., and 100 other cities in 1968. All brought troops into American cities.

Was that the work of any Right Wing groups??

Nope.. All of the afore was the result of Left Wing movements and groups.

Compare that with the actions of the Tea Party movement and you can see there is no comparison.

People in glass houses should NOT be throwing rocks, no?? :D

Michale.....

...Stan