Michale, we've rehashed this again and again over the past year so I'm not going to spend a lot of time here. But here's a quick couple points:

- Getting rid of pre-existing conditions and the ability for insurers to deny coverage
- Making it possible for the uninsured to get insurance

We all know how you feel about the bill though - you don't like it. We get it. Really, we do.

So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

It's done and I'd rather spend my time congratulating the folks who made it happen and working to help them get re-elected then talking about something that occurred in the past.

Cheers
-David

Of course, I wasn't referring to you, David.. :D

It's the Democrats who need the swift kick in the arse to get them to actually LISTEN to the American people, rather than pursue their own agenda...

Just had to make sure that was clear..

Michale.....

For example........?????????

Does somebody need a hug? :)

More likely a swift kick in the arse...

Strange how, when there is all this call for bi-partisanship and all the claims that the GOP do have some good ideas, not ONE of those "good ideas" made it into the final version of CrapCare...

Why is that??

Michale.....

I believe the healthcare bill does a lot of good and is a first step in reform. Does that mean it can't be better? Nope.

I'm just sorry you see so much hate from the left and from the right. Does somebody need a hug? :)

-David

You are confusing me...

I thought you were against CrapCare??

Hell, it's YOU that came up with the term....

Please tell me exactly why the American people are better off with CrapCare than without?

Or, are you saying that the Democratic Party is better off with CrapCare than without..

And, Robert Gates made the bold announcement today that financial reform is next.

I thought that JOBS was the next program??

Another Obama lie... {{{ssiiiggghhhh}}}

Believe he said they hoped to accomplish this in a couple months.

And you BELIEVE that?? They said the same thing about CrapCare....

Michale.....

Amen, Stan!

I was glad to see Obama in Iowa today still promoting and explaining the healthcare bill.

And, Robert Gates made the bold announcement today that financial reform is next. Believe he said they hoped to accomplish this in a couple months.

Imagine the Republicans trying to stop this without sounding like complete corporate shills!

I think that the Democrats need to make sure that everyone knows that they [the public] are better off with this healthcare bill than without it.

And therein lies the problem..

The *fact* is that Americans are WORSE off with CrapCare than without it...

Michale....

Done....

More than HALF the polled Democrats thought that Bush was the anti-christ..

You see the point??

Left hates Right...

Right hates Left...

There is NO DIFFERENCE between your Democrats and the Republicans..

That's the point that you and David and Nypoet and (to a lesser extent) CW keep missing over and over and over and over again....

Michale.....

It is really interesting what has happened w/ the Republican party.

David Frum - not exactly a liberal by any means - wrote a good column about the harm he thinks all the heated rhetoric has caused the Republican party.

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

His basic argument was that they went "all in" and as a result didn't even have a seat at the table.

I'd go further to say I think they're pushing independents away. All the socialist BS is great for riling the base, but a lot of it really turns off independents.

It will be interesting. Because there is still a lot of money backing Republicans, they have a fanatical base, and they still have some of the best messaging going. But they might be living in a different world then the one where they could always count on their messaging machine.

What makes it hard to tell is that the media makes it sound as if all of America is up in arms about healthcare and all the horrible things Obama is doing.

But I don't see nearly as much of this on the ground. It seems like a classic example of the magnifying power of the media.

Cheers
David

...Stan

I'm sorry, Michale ... we were discussing the latest Harris poll.

Let me know when a quarter of polled Democrats say they believe the president is the anit-Christ, okay?

Geee, that was what was said about 6 months ago..

Yet, the GOP is STILL being blamed for all of the ills facing the Democratic Party..

Ya'all really need to get yer stories straight...

Either the GOP is irrelevant and on the road to "self-destruction"...

Or the GOP is the "Party Of No" and is messing everything up...

Which is it???

Once again, I have to ask...

Isn't it even *SLIGHTLY* possible that it's the Democratic Party who is at least PARTIALLY at fault here???

Michale.....

It appears that the Republican party may be primed for self-destruction.

Yea and how many people in the country believe in angels??

You may ask what is the relevance to CrapCare.

So am I... :D

For someone who says this is not a Right vs Left issue, you seem to be down on the Right quite often... :D

Michale.....

According to a recent Harris poll ...

- 67% of Republicans believe that Obama is a socialist
- 57% percent of Republicans believe that Obama is a Muslim
- 45% of Republicans agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"
- 38% of Republicans say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did"
- 24% of Republicans say that Obama "may be the Antichrist"

This leads me to believe that at least 40% of Republicans have been greatly misled :)

-David

Could you specify??

Because my posts are as serious as a heart-attack.

What facts do you dispute?

That CrapCare is crap??

That over 75% of the states in the US have pending legislation allowing them to Opt out of the pay requirements for CrapCare??

That CrapCare is unconstitutional??

I have supporting facts for everything I have stated.

So, where's the beef?? Or more accurately, where's your beef? :D

Michale.....

While it pains me to say this, your posts here have become wholly non-serious.

CrapCare is simply un-constitutional.

1/4th of the States will have to pay 100% of CrapCare for all 50 states.

How can CrapCare be sustained under those conditions?

Answer. It can't..

Yea, I think that Dems are going to be too busy fighting for their political lives to worry about doing any more damage to this country.

Michale....

It may also bode well for Democrats that there are many signs the economy is starting to pick up.

S&P 500 is up 10.8% for the year.

The Chicago Board of Index Options' Volatility Index - Wall St's fear gauge - is below 17, the lowest since May 18th, 2008

But the best news I've seen is how so many people seem to be completely ignoring all the ruckus and "noise" and conspiracy government takeover theories.

Cheers
David