By your creative, yet wholly inaccurate definition, I guess I am a troll.. :D

I accept your concession... :D

Michale.....

John Those-Haditha-Marines-Are-Butchers Murtha should not have been making such proclamations of guilt whatsoever, regardless of the validity or (in this case) the invalidity of the accusation.

Iddn't it funny how the Hysterical Left is so eager to apply the innocent-until-proven-guilty to terrorists and other assorted scumbags, but hysterically condemns fellow Americans and US soldiers solely on the basis of irrational and illogical innuendo??

Why do you think that is??

Michale.....

However, witch-hunt inspired hysteria against our service men and women, just because you blindly hate the former commander in chief is..

Anyone who's ever served can testify to the unique capacity of the American soldier to be a dumbass.

I rest my case...

Soldiers deserve our respect.. Not your scorn..

Michale....

The suggestion that justice is somehow unpatriotic is the mark of an authoritarian's argument.

Anyone who's ever served can testify to the unique capacity of the American soldier to be a dumbass. Heck, just ask anyone living around Ft. Carson.

That's because the IED had detonated, killing one of the US Marines. Ya know.. An AMERICAN soldier??

What? Why would I be dragging an armed man? If he was armed, I would shoot him. And more likely in the face than in the back of the head, which is where the US Army found four 5.56 mm rounds. And if he was armed, why did he need to break away to get armed again? What's more, why would you hog-tie a man you just shot to death?

My scenario was a "fer instance" and not an exact play by play on what occurred at Haditha. It was to counter your LAUGHABLE idea that the US Marines would intentionally gun down innocent women and children in cold blood with no remorse..

I always seem to be asking you whose side your on.. Why do you think that is??

Uh-huh. Because you know better than the military jury. Right.

You mean the military jury that has acquitted ALL defendants save one?? That jury??

Or maybe you mean the military judge who said, "the government version is unsupported by independent evidence... To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and convincing evidence to the contrary."

Once again, we see you wanting to give the benefit of the doubt to ANYONE and EVERYONE but your fellow Americans.

Regardless of your biased and (apparently) hateful view of the military, the simple fact is Murtha screwed the pooch with his comments. He should not have been making those kinds of comments. Especially about US Marines.

I guess the concept of "once a Marine, always a Marine" doesn't apply to the likes of John P Murtha.

Have a great holiday, Ink... :D

Michale.....

If you happened to be walking past a house on a military patrol and were attacked by occupants of the house

Marines thought they saw him burying an IED by the road. No IED was ever found.

and in the ensuing counter-attack

There has to be an attack before there can be a counter-attack. While convoys had been attacked in that area several times recently, they were still attacked after the murder of Awad. In fact, his relatives were obliged to recoup the family honor. That is why "harsher" tactics are a strategy of self-defeat.

you dragged a armed man out of his house and said man broke away from your grip and went for a weapon and you shot him,

What? Why would I be dragging an armed man? If he was armed, I would shoot him. And more likely in the face than in the back of the head, which is where the US Army found four 5.56 mm rounds. And if he was armed, why did he need to break away to get armed again? What's more, why would you hog-tie a man you just shot to death?

In what universe does that make a damn bit of sense?

then it would be called self-defense and another day of combat in Iraq.

No, then it would be called the most unusual gunfight in history.

My scenario is pretty much what happened.

Uh-huh. Because you know better than the military jury. Right.

If you happened to be walking past a house on a military patrol and were attacked by occupants of the house and in the ensuing counter-attack you dragged a armed man out of his house and said man broke away from your grip and went for a weapon and you shot him, then it would be called self-defense and another day of combat in Iraq.

Your military-bashing scenario is a Hysterical Lefties' wet dream.

My scenario is pretty much what happened.

David,

Hmmm. War tax. An interesting idea from a couple of perspectives. I think people would be more inclined to want to end this war if they could see a direct impact on themselves.

I would be a great fan of this War Tax, if it would be applied equally.

But, knowing the recent history of this administration, it is clear that only conservatives would be taxed. The administration would find exemptions or rebates for their political buddies...

Michale.....

With all the borrowing, it's like teenagers with a credit card. Everything looks good today until the payments come due.

I would be interested to see how those who would be against such a tax (the wealthy, that is) would spin it to paint it as reprehensible. Probably they would first explore the "raising taxes" issue. Or, maybe somehow try to tag this as unpatriotic - "our boys are dying in Afghanistan and all you liberals can think to do is raise taxes here at home."

But I don't know if this resonates. I think about it and it seems responsible. Like not spending more than we take in.

-David

Michale.....

Will Democrats ever be able to stand on their own two feet and man up??

I see no evidence of this...

As to the Wall Street war tax, I think it's a phenomenal idea!

But any Democrat that can push the Wall Street war tax and then vote for the Tax Increase abomination that is DunselCare deserves an Academy Award (Or maybe an MIDOTW :D) for chutzpah and hypocrisy.

Michale....

Those tax cuts wound up doing virtually nothing for the economy. The Bush recovery was the slightest since WWII, and by 2008 there were fewer jobs in America than there had been when he took office.

So imagine that, instead of tax cuts, we had actually paid the full cost of two wars. Even with all the disastrous results of Iraq and imperial neglect in Afghanistan, the federal deficit would be about three trillion dollars less.

Think about that. Then watch this.