Comments on: Media's Credibility (Not Public Option) Is What Is Dead http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/ Reality-based political commentary Fri, 15 May 2026 16:56:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6462 Michale Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:16:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6462 <I> Obama media win. Obama is getting what he wants and the televisual sophists look like fools. </I> Once again, I marvel how you can utterly deny reality. It's perfectly clear to anyone with an objective bone in their body, that Obama's mis-direction (if that is what it indeed was) has failed on so many different levels. Fox News viewership is up 20% amongst Democrats and Independents. Democrats have joined with Republicans to condemn Obama's attacks as childish, Nixonian and utterly pathetic. Democrats are also now lining up against DunselCare that the Senate will vote on soon. By every stretch of every conceivable measure, Obama has failed and failed miserably. But far be it from me to disturb you while yer guzzling the kool-aid... Enjoy... :D We got reality covered for ya... :D Michale.......
Obama media win.

Obama is getting what he wants and the televisual sophists look like fools.

Once again, I marvel how you can utterly deny reality.

It's perfectly clear to anyone with an objective bone in their body, that Obama's mis-direction (if that is what it indeed was) has failed on so many different levels.

Fox News viewership is up 20% amongst Democrats and Independents.

Democrats have joined with Republicans to condemn Obama's attacks as childish, Nixonian and utterly pathetic.

Democrats are also now lining up against DunselCare that the Senate will vote on soon.

By every stretch of every conceivable measure, Obama has failed and failed miserably.

But far be it from me to disturb you while yer guzzling the kool-aid...

Enjoy... :D

We got reality covered for ya... :D

Michale.......

]]> By: Osborne Ink http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6461 Osborne Ink Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:59:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6461 Obama media win. Obama is getting what he wants and the televisual sophists look like fools. Obama media win.

Obama is getting what he wants and the televisual sophists look like fools.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6450 Michale Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6450 Media's current bonehead moves of late have not gone unnoticed. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BIUFGG0&show_article=1 Michale..... Media's current bonehead moves of late have not gone unnoticed.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BIUFGG0&show_article=1

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6448 Michale Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:55:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6448 <I>This is an absolute shock to the media,</I> Actually, I think the media is astonished, not because they Public Option is resurrected but rather that Reid has claimed he will bring a bill to the floor with the Public Option, but WITHOUT the votes to pass it. I have always said that pushing the public option will be the best way to kill DunselCare. Time will tell if my words were pathetic....er.. I mean prophetic... :D @afulton Let me echo CW's welcome to the forum.. :D <I>and if the Opt-out version is successful, it will only clear the way for focus on some of the more truly difficult issues to be addressed (like medicare reimbursement levels).</I> But here's the thing.. The Obama COULD have chosen to address issues within existing programs first. That would have made the call for health care reform EASIER because it would have shown that Obama is actually capable of accomplishing something. ANYTHING... The way he has gone about it has just made for a spectacular show pushing DunselCare which will probably not pass anyways. <I>But what is not clear is that the White House's patience, discipline and savvy has put meaningful reform closer to our grasp than ever before.</I> I am at a loss to understand how you can consider DunselCare "meaningful reform"..??? It doesn't provide universal coverage, it won't reign in costs and it does nothing to reign in waste and fraud. Of course, nothing is definitive, because there is STILL (STILL!!!) not even any real legislation. But the logical and rational process for this is to start with a good solid bill and then go thru it and whittle away the pork and crap. The way Democrats are doing it with DunselCare is backasswards.. They are throwing as much crap against the wall as possible and then run up there and pick out the pieces of crap that stick and call it a bill. Sorry to have to say this, but sticky crap is still nothing but crap. And DunselCare is still DunselCare. CW <I>I've been hearing lots and lots of rumors of what the WH is thinking in all this, but haven't heard anything definitive,</I> WHAT!!!?? You mean the White House is STILL noncommittal!!???? Surely you jest!!! :D When have you ever seen the White House "committal" (is that even a word??) on anything!? :D At least anything to do with DunselCare. Seriously, when it comes to DunselCare, I don't seen any difference between the White House of today and the White House of 4-6 months ago.. Does anyone?? Michale..... This is an absolute shock to the media,

Actually, I think the media is astonished, not because they Public Option is resurrected but rather that Reid has claimed he will bring a bill to the floor with the Public Option, but WITHOUT the votes to pass it.

I have always said that pushing the public option will be the best way to kill DunselCare.

Time will tell if my words were pathetic....er.. I mean prophetic... :D

@afulton

Let me echo CW's welcome to the forum.. :D

and if the Opt-out version is successful, it will only clear the way for focus on some of the more truly difficult issues to be addressed (like medicare reimbursement levels).

But here's the thing.. The Obama COULD have chosen to address issues within existing programs first. That would have made the call for health care reform EASIER because it would have shown that Obama is actually capable of accomplishing something. ANYTHING...

The way he has gone about it has just made for a spectacular show pushing DunselCare which will probably not pass anyways.

But what is not clear is that the White House's patience, discipline and savvy has put meaningful reform closer to our grasp than ever before.

I am at a loss to understand how you can consider DunselCare "meaningful reform"..???

It doesn't provide universal coverage, it won't reign in costs and it does nothing to reign in waste and fraud.

Of course, nothing is definitive, because there is STILL (STILL!!!) not even any real legislation. But the logical and rational process for this is to start with a good solid bill and then go thru it and whittle away the pork and crap.

The way Democrats are doing it with DunselCare is backasswards.. They are throwing as much crap against the wall as possible and then run up there and pick out the pieces of crap that stick and call it a bill.

Sorry to have to say this, but sticky crap is still nothing but crap. And DunselCare is still DunselCare.

CW

I've been hearing lots and lots of rumors of what the WH is thinking in all this, but haven't heard anything definitive,

WHAT!!!?? You mean the White House is STILL noncommittal!!????

Surely you jest!!! :D

When have you ever seen the White House "committal" (is that even a word??) on anything!? :D At least anything to do with DunselCare.

Seriously, when it comes to DunselCare, I don't seen any difference between the White House of today and the White House of 4-6 months ago.. Does anyone??

Michale.....

]]> By: afulton http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6447 afulton Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:45:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6447 I cast Emanuel in the role of the Fixer. I don't think, as some progressives do, that he is an Obstructionist on real Health Reform. I think he has been one of those who knows that making speeches in August may look good on TV (or the web) for a few days, but it is the inside game that gets things done, and the keys there are momentum, timing, and keeping as many options open as possible. I don't think Emanuel knew what form a Public Option would take, but I think he did know that if he played it right, some form would be within reach at the right time if he kept his eye on the prize and did not get distracted. Yes, I am reading tea leaves here - but I think it is a fair bet that getting this far has not been an accident (nor the work of Harry Reid's genius and charisma). The WH has been steadily making the case to conserva-Dems that the politics of Public Option can actually work for them - or at least that they can vote against the Bill if they at least get it to the floor for a vote. That seems to be the direction in which we are heading. I cast Emanuel in the role of the Fixer. I don't think, as some progressives do, that he is an Obstructionist on real Health Reform. I think he has been one of those who knows that making speeches in August may look good on TV (or the web) for a few days, but it is the inside game that gets things done, and the keys there are momentum, timing, and keeping as many options open as possible. I don't think Emanuel knew what form a Public Option would take, but I think he did know that if he played it right, some form would be within reach at the right time if he kept his eye on the prize and did not get distracted.

Yes, I am reading tea leaves here - but I think it is a fair bet that getting this far has not been an accident (nor the work of Harry Reid's genius and charisma). The WH has been steadily making the case to conserva-Dems that the politics of Public Option can actually work for them - or at least that they can vote against the Bill if they at least get it to the floor for a vote. That seems to be the direction in which we are heading.

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6446 Chris Weigant Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:20:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6446 afulton - First off, welcome to the site! Your subsequent comments will be posted automatically, it is only the first which is held for moderation. Unless you post two or more links at a time (just a reminder to everyone). Your scenario is interesting. I have one question, though: what role do you cast Rahm Emanuel in? I've been hearing lots and lots of rumors of what the WH is thinking in all this, but haven't heard anything definitive, so the jury's still out for me. You do make an excellent point, though, one worth remembering: "This is a very tough hill to climb, one that has gotten the best of more than one President..." The fact that we're closer than we've ever gotten before is one that a lot of people just brush under the rug, but it's worth pointing out, for needed perspective. -CW afulton -

First off, welcome to the site! Your subsequent comments will be posted automatically, it is only the first which is held for moderation. Unless you post two or more links at a time (just a reminder to everyone).

Your scenario is interesting. I have one question, though: what role do you cast Rahm Emanuel in? I've been hearing lots and lots of rumors of what the WH is thinking in all this, but haven't heard anything definitive, so the jury's still out for me. You do make an excellent point, though, one worth remembering:

"This is a very tough hill to climb, one that has gotten the best of more than one President..."

The fact that we're closer than we've ever gotten before is one that a lot of people just brush under the rug, but it's worth pointing out, for needed perspective.

-CW

]]> By: afulton http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6445 afulton Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:00:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6445 Excellent piece. I would add one component however. Part of the emerging narrative is that the Obama Administration has been MIA as congressional Democrats have pulled the public option back in from the abyss. This both is a continued acceptance of the myth that the Public Option was ever "dead" in the first place (something the President has consistently denied) and a failure to understand the Obama Administration's larger strategy. They chose to keep their powder dry all during the ugly days of the summer slime-fest, and even in the early fall period have not jumped too far out in front. All of this while at the same time working behind the scenes, and with Democrats of all stripes, to keep things flexibly focused on the main Prize (the principles outlines in Obama's Congressional speech in September). The Public Option, while controversial among conservatives, has never really been the hardest nut to crack in Health Reform, and if the Opt-out version is successful, it will only clear the way for focus on some of the more truly difficult issues to be addressed (like medicare reimbursement levels). As we enter the end game the White House has been slowing pushing things along, in a gradually more focused way that is likely to include the Public Option. This is no accident, but the result of a well thought out and very well disciplined strategy. This is a very tough hill to climb, one that has gotten the best of more than one President, and it is still far from a done deal. But what is not clear is that the White House's patience, discipline and savvy has put meaningful reform closer to our grasp than ever before. Excellent piece. I would add one component however. Part of the emerging narrative is that the Obama Administration has been MIA as congressional Democrats have pulled the public option back in from the abyss. This both is a continued acceptance of the myth that the Public Option was ever "dead" in the first place (something the President has consistently denied) and a failure to understand the Obama Administration's larger strategy. They chose to keep their powder dry all during the ugly days of the summer slime-fest, and even in the early fall period have not jumped too far out in front. All of this while at the same time working behind the scenes, and with Democrats of all stripes, to keep things flexibly focused on the main Prize (the principles outlines in Obama's Congressional speech in September). The Public Option, while controversial among conservatives, has never really been the hardest nut to crack in Health Reform, and if the Opt-out version is successful, it will only clear the way for focus on some of the more truly difficult issues to be addressed (like medicare reimbursement levels).

As we enter the end game the White House has been slowing pushing things along, in a gradually more focused way that is likely to include the Public Option. This is no accident, but the result of a well thought out and very well disciplined strategy. This is a very tough hill to climb, one that has gotten the best of more than one President, and it is still far from a done deal. But what is not clear is that the White House's patience, discipline and savvy has put meaningful reform closer to our grasp than ever before.

]]> By: akadjian http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6444 akadjian Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:41:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6444 It really is just like giant echo chamber - the public option is dead, dead, dead, dead .... :) -David It really is just like giant echo chamber - the public option is dead, dead, dead, dead ....

:)

-David

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6442 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:44:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/10/26/medias-credibility-not-public-option-is-what-is-dead/#comment-6442 Chris, I couldn't agree more! Surprise, surprise. Actually, the majority - that would be 'vast' as opposed to 'simple' - oh, you know what...the credibility of the VAST majority of the media/blogosphere/punditocracy, regardless of political persuasion or affiliation, has been at zero and moving backwards for a long time now. But, I'm not so sure we'll see the media falling over themselves trying to explain the last three months of their 'reporting'. They'll just will it all away...it never happened. This is how they handle all of their incompetence...pick an issue. Not only are they not very smart, but they have no shame, either...none, whatsoever. Chris,

I couldn't agree more! Surprise, surprise.

Actually, the majority - that would be 'vast' as opposed to 'simple' - oh, you know what...the credibility of the VAST majority of the media/blogosphere/punditocracy, regardless of political persuasion or affiliation, has been at zero and moving backwards for a long time now.

But, I'm not so sure we'll see the media falling over themselves trying to explain the last three months of their 'reporting'. They'll just will it all away...it never happened. This is how they handle all of their incompetence...pick an issue. Not only are they not very smart, but they have no shame, either...none, whatsoever.

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