http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13dowd.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

In it, she suggests that Joe Wilson's outburst against President Obama was racially based.

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This begs the question of Ms Dowd... And MANY MANY other Democrats who have the same mindset.

Is it possible that any criticism against Obama is NOT racially based?

In other words, can't anyone have ANY legitimate complaints against Obama without bringing race into the issue?

Maybe someone (anyone) here can field that...

Furthertheless...

"no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq "

Ex-squeeze me??

Baking Powder??

What planet has Dowd been living on for the past 8.6 years??

As has been established, Democrats up and down the ladder made calling the President a liar the national past-time during the Bush years.

Most times, Ms Dowd is right on, but she sure stepped on her wee-wee with this commentary.

Michale.....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/scs_wilson_rakes_in_750000_in.html

My only point was how it is hypocritical for the Left to condemn GOP CongressCritters for calling the President a liar, when it was Dem CongressCritters who made a sport of calling President Bush a liar at every opportunity for nearly 8 years..

My opinion has ALWAYS been that one shows the President Of The United States the respect that said office deserves.

The prevailing opinion around here (certain exceptions noted) seems to be that one only shows respect to the office when one agrees with the office holder.

That's my story and I am sticking to it! :D

Michale.....

Please PLEASE don't give Congress tips on how to behave as children!

(Shudder)

They do enough of it all on their own as it is...

Heh heh.

-CW

Now of all the critcs who are out there suggesting the president is a liar from my understanding wasn't he speaking to let the people both Democrats and Republicans know what type of bill he wanted to sign? Wasn't he there trying to build a bridge between the conservatives and liberals? If this is the case then to call him a liar for a bill that is not in anyway near finish is more than just rude it's a lie. And instead of Mr. Wilson taking the opportunity to listen to the president on a issue he fills strongly about the guy attacked him like a two year old kid.

So I have some advice for Mr. Wilson, if he wants to act like a child then so be it. The next time he feels that there is something in the bill that president said would not be in the bill, he should just tell the others in the house. BUT THE PRESIDENT SAID. Just I would have said to my older sisters when they were trying to break the rules.

There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought. ~Charles Kingsley

Hmmmmmm

Why is "the shoe on the other foot" argument a tired dead horse?

I would think that trying to apply the philosophy of the Left TO the left would be the epitome of fairness...

In other words, I am applying the ARGUMENTS of the Left to the ACTIONS of the Left..

The very definition, the very EPITOME of fairness... Wouldn't you agree? :D

As for the rest.. While my comments appear to be "sound bites" and such, if you note the time stamps, you will see that they traverse the course of the day. In essence, once new information (or different takes on old information) becomes available and it is relevant to the discussion at hand, I comment on it.

Annoying? Probably. I am the type that has to be taken to places twice. The second time, to apologize. :D

But the surest way to shut me up is to counter my arguments with facts and logical discourse. Gods know I wouldn't want to be around a place where I always get my ass kicked, metaphorically/intellectually speaking.

For this particular discussion, there is only one question.

How can the Left castigate Wilson for calling President Obama a liar, when the Left made calling President Bush a liar (and worse) a national past time?

Surely, it's a fair and logical question, no??

So, what's the answer??

Still and always friends.. :D

Michale.....

From your OWN link...

Under health care reform, illegal immigrants would be able to buy private insurance or the public option.

So, while Joe Wilson may have been wrong about Obama lying, it's clear from several different sourced reports, that Obama was mistaken when he said that "the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

"These are the facts. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

Michale.....

Having said that, I find it humorous in the extreme that Democrats would actually utter a peep about a GOP'er telling President Obama, "You Lie!".

It's funny because, during the 8 years of the Bush Presidency, Democrats up and down the spectrum made calling the President a liar a national past time.

So, seriously.. Anyone who didn't blast Democrats for calling President Bush a liar (and worse) has absolutely no moral or ethical leg to stand on in condemning Joe Wilson.

Michale.....

A point about this.

Apparently, Joe Wilson is a retired LT Colonel from the SC National Guard.

I don't believe that the UCMJ applies to retired personnel excepting where offenses were committed while they were sworn military officers. Under those conditions, retired military personnel can be recalled to Active Duty and then face a Courts Martial.

Michale.....

Is America Breaking Up
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478

Something I have been saying since 2006, I believe..

Michale

Obama was "mistaken".

Bush "lied".

Thanx for proving my point so eloquently. :D

Michale.....

There was actually one recorded instance of Democrats booing Bush during a joint session, but to be fair Bush was lying through his eyeteeth about the Social Security trust fund.

The fact is that, because all of the House Bills do NOT have a requirement to prove citizenship to obtain healthcare benefits, there is absolutely NO structure in place to PREVENT illegal immigrants from obtaining healthcare.

So, while President Obama was not (probably) lying, he WAS mistaken in his claim that no benefits would go to illegal immigrants...

At last report, this citizenship loophole is being addressed by the Senate Finance Committee...

Michale.....

Plenty..

How many times did Reid refer to Bush as a "loser" and a "liar"?

Plenty..

What Wilson did was disrespectful and un-called for, no question.

Democrats will make hay of it and get some mileage out of it, sure.

But let's keep things in perspective. These things are nothing new. They always happen in politics. The only things that ever change is the perpetrator and the victim.

Democrats take the "holier than thou" attitude at their own risk...

Michale.....