Comments on: Beer Metaphor Becomes Frosty-Cold Reality http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/ Reality-based political commentary Thu, 30 Apr 2026 02:50:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5556 Michale Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:49:21 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5556 Today's "Beer Summit" is being billed as a "teachable moment" about Race. Bullshit.. This incident has NOTHING to do with Race except that Gates and Obama tried to MAKE it about Race.. Courtesy of Tommy De Sono, here are the REAL moments that are "teachable" ones.. <B> * It’s OK to call the police when you see people breaking into a neighbor’s house, no matter what color they are. * If a neighbor calls the police about a burglary and it turns out it was just you breaking into your own home, thank the neighbor for watching out for your home. * If a police officer arrives at your home because a neighbor saw you breaking in, offer him your identification with a smile. For all he knows you are a burglar and he won’t know differently until you show your ID. * There are laws on the books against “tumultuous behavior” in public. They aren’t great laws because they are extremely vague. They are often used to quell a speaker who thinks he has the free speech right to yell in public, as Gates was doing. Once a police officer warns you about public disturbances, you should calm down, because you can be arrested if your free speech is done by public yelling. * If ‘tumultuous behavior’ laws aren’t great laws because they are vague, that’s the fault of your legislators. Be sympathetic to the police officer who is charged with having to figure out what public behavior is or isn’t “tumultuous.” * If you really dislike ‘tumultuous behavior’ laws, elect a state legislator who promises to make it less vague. * And finally, the obvious: If you start cracking on a police officer’s momma, then yeah, you’re going to get arrested for tumultuous behavior. </B> To these great teachable moments, I would add one more... Those who try to make a racial incident out of something that clearly isn't are not allowed to play the Race Card ever again.. How kewl would THAT be!?? :D Michale.... Today's "Beer Summit" is being billed as a "teachable moment" about Race.

Bullshit..

This incident has NOTHING to do with Race except that Gates and Obama tried to MAKE it about Race..

Courtesy of Tommy De Sono, here are the REAL moments that are "teachable" ones..

* It’s OK to call the police when you see people breaking into a neighbor’s house, no matter what color they are.

* If a neighbor calls the police about a burglary and it turns out it was just you breaking into your own home, thank the neighbor for watching out for your home.

* If a police officer arrives at your home because a neighbor saw you breaking in, offer him your identification with a smile. For all he knows you are a burglar and he won’t know differently until you show your ID.

* There are laws on the books against “tumultuous behavior” in public. They aren’t great laws because they are extremely vague. They are often used to quell a speaker who thinks he has the free speech right to yell in public, as Gates was doing. Once a police officer warns you about public disturbances, you should calm down, because you can be arrested if your free speech is done by public yelling.

* If ‘tumultuous behavior’ laws aren’t great laws because they are vague, that’s the fault of your legislators. Be sympathetic to the police officer who is charged with having to figure out what public behavior is or isn’t “tumultuous.”

* If you really dislike ‘tumultuous behavior’ laws, elect a state legislator who promises to make it less vague.

* And finally, the obvious: If you start cracking on a police officer’s momma, then yeah, you’re going to get arrested for tumultuous behavior.

To these great teachable moments, I would add one more...

Those who try to make a racial incident out of something that clearly isn't are not allowed to play the Race Card ever again..

How kewl would THAT be!?? :D

Michale....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5553 Michale Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:28:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5553 Interesting anecdote here.. :D http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8195564&page=1 Seems that Gates and Crowley are actually related... It's also entirely possible that the lovely and talented Mrs CW is also a relative of the two.. :D Michale..... Interesting anecdote here.. :D

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8195564&page=1

Seems that Gates and Crowley are actually related...

It's also entirely possible that the lovely and talented Mrs CW is also a relative of the two.. :D

Michale.....

]]> By: akadjian http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5545 akadjian Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:09:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5545 "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." -Frank Zappa "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." -Frank Zappa

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5544 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:05:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5544 These days, Michale, any little bit of humour is good. :) These days, Michale, any little bit of humour is good. :)

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5543 Michale Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:57:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5543 Liz, I know... I was going for the laugh... :D IE What's wrong with throwing any American who hasn't served in the military under the bus? :D Little bit o humor there.. Yea, I know.. VERY little.. :D Michale..... Liz,

I know... I was going for the laugh... :D IE What's wrong with throwing any American who hasn't served in the military under the bus? :D

Little bit o humor there..

Yea, I know.. VERY little.. :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5542 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:21:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5542 Michale, I wasn't trying to make any point, really...just to say that it was a very good interview with Bill Kristol...one that shouldn't be missed! :D Michale,

I wasn't trying to make any point, really...just to say that it was a very good interview with Bill Kristol...one that shouldn't be missed!

:D

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5540 Michale Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:02:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5540 Liz, <I>And, he throws any American not in the military under the bus…</I> What's yer point?? :D OsborneInk, <I>Do you know why American beer goes through you so fast? Because it doesn't have to stop and change color…</I> It's a documented fact that NO ONE ever actually purchases beer. It's just rented for a while. And on the International Space Station, it's recycled.. :D Michale.... Liz,
And, he throws any American not in the military under the bus…

What's yer point?? :D

OsborneInk,
Do you know why American beer goes through you so fast?

Because it doesn't have to stop and change color…

It's a documented fact that NO ONE ever actually purchases beer. It's just rented for a while. And on the International Space Station, it's recycled.. :D

Michale....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5539 Michale Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:00:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5539 The problem here is that, by crying wolf and playing the Race Card, both Obama and Gates have made it harder on those who suffer from REAL racism to seek and get justice. Both Obama and Gates have done a grave disservice to the fight against racism. Michale <I>crossposted to Huffington Post</I> The problem here is that, by crying wolf and playing the Race Card, both Obama and Gates have made it harder on those who suffer from REAL racism to seek and get justice.

Both Obama and Gates have done a grave disservice to the fight against racism.

Michale

crossposted to Huffington Post

]]> By: Osborne Ink http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5538 Osborne Ink Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:48:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5538 Chris, Do you know why American beer goes through you so fast? Because it doesn't have to stop and change color... http://www.instantrimshot.com Chris,

Do you know why American beer goes through you so fast?

Because it doesn't have to stop and change color...

http://www.instantrimshot.com

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5537 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:02:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5537 I can't help it...I have to give you a hint. Bill Kristol self-destructs and, in the process, he destroys his primary talking point against a public option in healthcare reform. And, he throws any American not in the military under the bus...just for good measure! Cheers! I can't help it...I have to give you a hint.

Bill Kristol self-destructs and, in the process, he destroys his primary talking point against a public option in healthcare reform. And, he throws any American not in the military under the bus...just for good measure!

Cheers!

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5536 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:32:53 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5536 Sorry, that's not my brand. But enough about beer! Did you see the Daily Show today - has it been on there, yet. You have to see this one, Chris! Sorry, that's not my brand. But enough about beer! Did you see the Daily Show today - has it been on there, yet.

You have to see this one, Chris!

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5535 Chris Weigant Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:20:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5535 Molson's, anyone? heh. -CW Molson's, anyone?

heh.

-CW

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5534 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:18:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5534 It's always time for another round, anyone. It's always time for another round, anyone.

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5533 Chris Weigant Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:00:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5533 I have just two comments. The first, from that well-known philosopher (and onetime <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_vs._the_Eighteenth_Amendment" rel="nofollow">Beer Baron</a>) Homer Simpson: "Here's to alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!" And the second comes via Canada, since a Canadian first told me this joke (also, because it has a canoe in it). Q: "How is American beer like having sex in a canoe?" A: "Because it's fucking close to water." Ahem. Time for another round, anyone? -CW I have just two comments. The first, from that well-known philosopher (and onetime Beer Baron) Homer Simpson:

"Here's to alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!"

And the second comes via Canada, since a Canadian first told me this joke (also, because it has a canoe in it).

Q: "How is American beer like having sex in a canoe?"

A: "Because it's fucking close to water."

Ahem. Time for another round, anyone?

-CW

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5532 nypoet22 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:54:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5532 i love beer. in fact, i wrote a love song to beer. beer is love. i'd have a beer with anyone here. we're all just awesome that way. i love beer. in fact, i wrote a love song to beer. beer is love. i'd have a beer with anyone here. we're all just awesome that way.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5530 Michale Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:24:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5530 <I>It's no longer a story about cops arresting Gates, or the president calling their behavior stupid; it's now about three guys having a beer. Talk about your framing!</I> It simply shows who is the bigger person here... Sgt Crowley and the men and women of the Cambridge PD... As I said before, if this HAD been a case of REAL racism, IE Gates was actually a victim of REAL racism and Crowley was one step away from being the KKK Grand Dragon, do you HONESTLY believe that the hysterical Left would have acquiesced as gentlemanly and maturely as those on the Right have done?? Of course not... By taking the high road, Sgt Crowley and those of the C.P.D. have shown what TRUE maturity is all about.. The hysterical (and not so hysterical) Left should take note on how REAL adults act... Michale..... It's no longer a story about cops arresting Gates, or the president calling their behavior stupid; it's now about three guys having a beer. Talk about your framing!

It simply shows who is the bigger person here... Sgt Crowley and the men and women of the Cambridge PD...

As I said before, if this HAD been a case of REAL racism, IE Gates was actually a victim of REAL racism and Crowley was one step away from being the KKK Grand Dragon, do you HONESTLY believe that the hysterical Left would have acquiesced as gentlemanly and maturely as those on the Right have done??

Of course not...

By taking the high road, Sgt Crowley and those of the C.P.D. have shown what TRUE maturity is all about..

The hysterical (and not so hysterical) Left should take note on how REAL adults act...

Michale.....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5529 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:17:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5529 Exactly, Matt...well, that and the fact that it takes a lot of the heat off of what's been going on with the healthcare reform debate...I don't think this one is going to end well. Exactly, Matt...well, that and the fact that it takes a lot of the heat off of what's been going on with the healthcare reform debate...I don't think this one is going to end well.

]]> By: Osborne Ink http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5528 Osborne Ink Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:13:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5528 Reports say that Obama will be drinking all-American <strike>horse urine</strike> Budweiser while Crowley will have a <a href="http://www.osborneink.com/2009/07/crowley-will-have-blue-moon.html" rel="nofollow">Blue Moon</a> -- a report that makes me like Crowley just a wee little bit more. (No confirmation yet on Gates's choice of brew.) What I love about this story is that Obama has successfully turned the uproar into positive media obsession. It's no longer a story about cops arresting Gates, or the president calling their behavior stupid; it's now about three guys having a beer. Talk about your framing! Reports say that Obama will be drinking all-American horse urine Budweiser while Crowley will have a Blue Moon -- a report that makes me like Crowley just a wee little bit more. (No confirmation yet on Gates's choice of brew.)

What I love about this story is that Obama has successfully turned the uproar into positive media obsession. It's no longer a story about cops arresting Gates, or the president calling their behavior stupid; it's now about three guys having a beer. Talk about your framing!

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5527 Michale Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:43:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5527 <I>My suspicion is that race may have had less to do with the professor getting a ticket, and that it was more likely a case of what those in the legal business call an "attitude arrest" — in other words, showing "attitude" to a police officer sometimes gets you arrested.</I> In other words, things were exactly as I had said.. Gates was guilty of "Being An Asshole In A NO ASSHOLE Zone." That is a charge that many MANY cops (myself included) have arrested people on.. As you imply, CW... It's failing the Attitude Test... Would you like to know about the Screen Test?? It's a hoot.... :D <I>So in the case of the professor and the policeman, I simply cannot say who was in the right, and who was "acting stupidly" (as the president put it), so I choose not to interject myself into that particular debate.</I> Fortunately (or UNfortunately, depending on your point of view) I don't have an INJECTION problem.. :D It's clear, from ALL available evidence, that the initial person making the report had absolutely NO racist tendencies whatsoever. It's also clear that Sgt Crowley is the epitome of a GOOD Cop... He is Sgt Friday, Officer Malloy and Officer Reed all rolled up into one.. He TAUGHT against Racial Profiling in the Police Academy, for Chreest's Sake! At this point in time, if there was a body of water nearby, Sgt Crowley could probably walk across it.. It is also clear, again from all available evidence, that the ONLY people who attempted to interject race into this issue were Professor Gates and President Obama... Much to their (NOW) chagrin, I am certain... <I>a new metaphor was born — a man "you could have a beer with."</I> Now, give credit where credit is due.. WHO do we have to thank for that particular metaphor?? <I>Will it make policemen think twice if they find themselves in similar situations?</I> Hopefully not... Such second thoughts is the leading cause of Officer deaths in the nation... <I>Will it make anyone think twice about giving cops "attitude" in similar situations?</I> Hopefully so.... The problem with the general public, as opitimized by Bashi here (no offense intended whatsoever, B) is the understanding of the Cop Mentality. When you are a police officer, it truly is an "Us vs Them" mentality. To quote James Woods, "It's not what we do, it's what we are." That is a concept that the general public just cannot comprehend.. And, when confronted by the concept, the natural reaction from civilians is hostility... <I>To paraphrase W.C. Fields: Every man needs to believe in something — I believe I'll have another ice-cold beer.</I> Obviously a man I can have a beer with!! :D But just remember... <B>24 hours in a day... 24 beers in a case... COINCIDENCE??? I don't think so!!!</B> :D Michale..... My suspicion is that race may have had less to do with the professor getting a ticket, and that it was more likely a case of what those in the legal business call an "attitude arrest" — in other words, showing "attitude" to a police officer sometimes gets you arrested.

In other words, things were exactly as I had said..

Gates was guilty of "Being An Asshole In A NO ASSHOLE Zone."

That is a charge that many MANY cops (myself included) have arrested people on..

As you imply, CW... It's failing the Attitude Test...

Would you like to know about the Screen Test?? It's a hoot.... :D

So in the case of the professor and the policeman, I simply cannot say who was in the right, and who was "acting stupidly" (as the president put it), so I choose not to interject myself into that particular debate.

Fortunately (or UNfortunately, depending on your point of view) I don't have an INJECTION problem.. :D

It's clear, from ALL available evidence, that the initial person making the report had absolutely NO racist tendencies whatsoever.

It's also clear that Sgt Crowley is the epitome of a GOOD Cop... He is Sgt Friday, Officer Malloy and Officer Reed all rolled up into one.. He TAUGHT against Racial Profiling in the Police Academy, for Chreest's Sake! At this point in time, if there was a body of water nearby, Sgt Crowley could probably walk across it..

It is also clear, again from all available evidence, that the ONLY people who attempted to interject race into this issue were Professor Gates and President Obama... Much to their (NOW) chagrin, I am certain...

a new metaphor was born — a man "you could have a beer with."

Now, give credit where credit is due.. WHO do we have to thank for that particular metaphor??

Will it make policemen think twice if they find themselves in similar situations?

Hopefully not... Such second thoughts is the leading cause of Officer deaths in the nation...

Will it make anyone think twice about giving cops "attitude" in similar situations?

Hopefully so....

The problem with the general public, as opitimized by Bashi here (no offense intended whatsoever, B) is the understanding of the Cop Mentality. When you are a police officer, it truly is an "Us vs Them" mentality. To quote James Woods, "It's not what we do, it's what we are."

That is a concept that the general public just cannot comprehend.. And, when confronted by the concept, the natural reaction from civilians is hostility...

To paraphrase W.C. Fields: Every man needs to believe in something — I believe I'll have another ice-cold beer.

Obviously a man I can have a beer with!! :D

But just remember...

24 hours in a day... 24 beers in a case... COINCIDENCE??? I don't think so!!! :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5526 Elizabeth Miller Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:13:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2009/07/27/beer-metaphor-becomes-frosty-cold-reality/#comment-5526 So, what do you suppose a person would have to do to get a ticket to the White House to down a couple of ginger ales with the VICE president, so to speak? Just wondering... So, what do you suppose a person would have to do to get a ticket to the White House to down a couple of ginger ales with the VICE president, so to speak? Just wondering...

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