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	<title>Comments on: Friday Talking Points [41] -- The Silly Season</title>
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		<title>By: loslobo</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/08/01/friday-talking-points-41-the-silly-season/#comment-3282</link>
		<dc:creator>loslobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update on Anthrax

From Tom Daschle..

&quot;From the very beginning I&#039;ve had real concerns about the quality of the investigation,&quot; Daschle said in a broadcast interview. &quot;Given the fact that they already paid somebody else $5 million for the mistakes they must have made gives you some indication of the overall caliber and quality of the investigation.&quot;

&quot;I think the American people deserve more of an accounting on this investigation and some appreciation of how to bring this to closure,&quot; Daschle said. &quot;I don&#039;t know anything about the most recent development, and that&#039;s unfortunate. I think all of us, not only those of us directly affected, but all of us need to know more than we do today.&quot;

&quot;Unfortunately, it doesn&#039;t bring anything to closure,&quot; Daschle said. &quot;This probably further complicates their ability to get to the facts.&quot;

He said he did not know if the investigation involving Ivins &quot;is just another false track and a real diversion of where they need to be. We don&#039;t know and they aren&#039;t telling us.&quot;

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/08/03/ap5283256.html

just a couple more points
 
1) Why no autopsy? Isn&#039;t mandatory in most states?

2) From a Democratic Underground discussion ....
On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was &quot;a precaution,&quot; according to one person directly involved. (Emphasis added)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/... 

&quot;This is what set my alarm bells ringing. First, from what I understand, he was discovered comatose at home and died two days later in a hospital.

A few things.

There are two drug components to consider. First, the acetaminophen component (Tylenol.) This kills patients via toxicity to the liver. If discovered early, it IS survivable and treatable. Immediately after ingestion, the patient does not become comatose. The symptoms of hepatic toxicity do not set in for several days, so this is clearly not what killed him, as he was discovered already comatose.

The codeine component could kill a patient in the same way that any other morphine derivative can, with respiratory depression. There are four different levels of codeine combined with tylenol, depending on the particular pill prescribed, ranging from 8 mg. per tablet to 60 mg. per tablet. (Tylenol 1,2,3, or 4.) The LD 50 (dose that kills 50% of people) for codeine is 800 mg. So yes, it&#039;s possible to die of a codeine overdose if you take enough of the strongest dose (60 mg/ tab.) At the lowest dose (8 g) you&#039;d have to take 100 tabs. And very few physicians I know of would prescribe that many tablets at a time. More likely, it would be in numbers of 30 tabs or so.

THE REAL PROBELM, HOWEVER, is that he lived for two days after being discovered!!!

Anyone with an overdose of a morphine derivative is easily treated with a quick IV dose of Narcan, which quickly counteracts morphine&#039;s effects. If he was still alive and breathing when discovered, he SHOULD HAVE SURVIVED with a simple dose of Narcan.&quot;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=389x3719911#3721757

Only one more thing to add... If you caught Countdown Fri., he showed McCain on Letterman blaming Iran, but he forgot ABC was doing the same thing. 

Thanks always</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on Anthrax</p>
<p>From Tom Daschle..</p>
<p>"From the very beginning I've had real concerns about the quality of the investigation," Daschle said in a broadcast interview. "Given the fact that they already paid somebody else $5 million for the mistakes they must have made gives you some indication of the overall caliber and quality of the investigation."</p>
<p>"I think the American people deserve more of an accounting on this investigation and some appreciation of how to bring this to closure," Daschle said. "I don't know anything about the most recent development, and that's unfortunate. I think all of us, not only those of us directly affected, but all of us need to know more than we do today."</p>
<p>"Unfortunately, it doesn't bring anything to closure," Daschle said. "This probably further complicates their ability to get to the facts."</p>
<p>He said he did not know if the investigation involving Ivins "is just another false track and a real diversion of where they need to be. We don't know and they aren't telling us."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/08/03/ap5283256.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/08/03/ap5283256.html</a></p>
<p>just a couple more points</p>
<p>1) Why no autopsy? Isn't mandatory in most states?</p>
<p>2) From a Democratic Underground discussion ....<br />
On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved. (Emphasis added)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/.." rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/..</a>. </p>
<p>"This is what set my alarm bells ringing. First, from what I understand, he was discovered comatose at home and died two days later in a hospital.</p>
<p>A few things.</p>
<p>There are two drug components to consider. First, the acetaminophen component (Tylenol.) This kills patients via toxicity to the liver. If discovered early, it IS survivable and treatable. Immediately after ingestion, the patient does not become comatose. The symptoms of hepatic toxicity do not set in for several days, so this is clearly not what killed him, as he was discovered already comatose.</p>
<p>The codeine component could kill a patient in the same way that any other morphine derivative can, with respiratory depression. There are four different levels of codeine combined with tylenol, depending on the particular pill prescribed, ranging from 8 mg. per tablet to 60 mg. per tablet. (Tylenol 1,2,3, or 4.) The LD 50 (dose that kills 50% of people) for codeine is 800 mg. So yes, it's possible to die of a codeine overdose if you take enough of the strongest dose (60 mg/ tab.) At the lowest dose (8 g) you'd have to take 100 tabs. And very few physicians I know of would prescribe that many tablets at a time. More likely, it would be in numbers of 30 tabs or so.</p>
<p>THE REAL PROBELM, HOWEVER, is that he lived for two days after being discovered!!!</p>
<p>Anyone with an overdose of a morphine derivative is easily treated with a quick IV dose of Narcan, which quickly counteracts morphine's effects. If he was still alive and breathing when discovered, he SHOULD HAVE SURVIVED with a simple dose of Narcan."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=389x3719911#3721757" rel="nofollow">http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=389x3719911#3721757</a></p>
<p>Only one more thing to add... If you caught Countdown Fri., he showed McCain on Letterman blaming Iran, but he forgot ABC was doing the same thing. </p>
<p>Thanks always</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/08/01/friday-talking-points-41-the-silly-season/#comment-3281</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Speaking of the media...I sure hope that the Democrats allow some real journalists into their convention hall - if you know what I mean, and I&#039;m sure that you do! - or I may have to just tune it out entirely, all things considered. In fact, I may be reaching the point where I&#039;m ready to go on a semi-permanent vacation from politics all together...it tends to be a cyclical thing with me...something I must do to keep what&#039;s left of my sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Speaking of the media...I sure hope that the Democrats allow some real journalists into their convention hall - if you know what I mean, and I'm sure that you do! - or I may have to just tune it out entirely, all things considered. In fact, I may be reaching the point where I'm ready to go on a semi-permanent vacation from politics all together...it tends to be a cyclical thing with me...something I must do to keep what's left of my sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/08/01/friday-talking-points-41-the-silly-season/#comment-3280</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>loslobo,

As far as I know, the PBS Newshour with Jim Lehrer is running on empty...as in not enough steaks in the freezer...and pay cuts for all the journalists who are left, including Lehrer, himself!

They lost some big money advertisers who have opted for other advertising vehicles. And, apparently, the support from PBS viewers like us ain&#039;t cuttin&#039; it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>loslobo,</p>
<p>As far as I know, the PBS Newshour with Jim Lehrer is running on empty...as in not enough steaks in the freezer...and pay cuts for all the journalists who are left, including Lehrer, himself!</p>
<p>They lost some big money advertisers who have opted for other advertising vehicles. And, apparently, the support from PBS viewers like us ain't cuttin' it!</p>
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		<title>By: loslobo</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/08/01/friday-talking-points-41-the-silly-season/#comment-3278</link>
		<dc:creator>loslobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever try to sit thru the news on PBS? What happened to their reporting? I think it changed about the time their main sponsor became &quot;Energy Tomorrow&quot;. I watch Moyers and Charlie Rose sometimes. This week Charlie had the Virginia Governor on, and for not knowing chit about him, I was really impressed. Maybe Joe could do more good as Secretary of State..... 

As for your empty Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week award, how about Conyers and Nancy for leaving town without setting up a commission to impeach Cheney and GW. Talk about cheap oil, it would drop to twenty bucks again if we could get those warmongers in jail.... 

Last week I mention the NIST report on WTC7, well thanks to PrisonPlanet, I downloaded a &quot;leaked&quot; pre-report, and after going through over 600 pages of charts and rehashed material, they STILL haven&#039;t come up with a conceivable explanation. Please feel free to indulge yourself, you might want to take baby steps with Dr. David Ray Griffin first....... 
http://www.infowars.net/WTC7Report/

One last thing, it was found out that the scientist behind the Anthrax attack committed suicide. So like other &quot;Mysteries&quot;, the case will be closed and we are just left to wonder what Tom Brokaw, Daschle, Leahy, and the NY Post did to piss this guy off. Because I wouldn&#039;t insinuate government involvement although you could argue scaring the country, congress, and newsrooms enhanced the &quot;War on Terror&quot;. I&#039;m sure it was another lone gunman. He just used 9/11 and Allah to through everybody off, athough he had to know it would be traced back to his lab. hmmmmmmmmmm......

http://www.unitedjustice.com/anthrax-letters.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever try to sit thru the news on PBS? What happened to their reporting? I think it changed about the time their main sponsor became "Energy Tomorrow". I watch Moyers and Charlie Rose sometimes. This week Charlie had the Virginia Governor on, and for not knowing chit about him, I was really impressed. Maybe Joe could do more good as Secretary of State..... </p>
<p>As for your empty Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week award, how about Conyers and Nancy for leaving town without setting up a commission to impeach Cheney and GW. Talk about cheap oil, it would drop to twenty bucks again if we could get those warmongers in jail.... </p>
<p>Last week I mention the NIST report on WTC7, well thanks to PrisonPlanet, I downloaded a "leaked" pre-report, and after going through over 600 pages of charts and rehashed material, they STILL haven't come up with a conceivable explanation. Please feel free to indulge yourself, you might want to take baby steps with Dr. David Ray Griffin first.......<br />
<a href="http://www.infowars.net/WTC7Report/" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.net/WTC7Report/</a></p>
<p>One last thing, it was found out that the scientist behind the Anthrax attack committed suicide. So like other "Mysteries", the case will be closed and we are just left to wonder what Tom Brokaw, Daschle, Leahy, and the NY Post did to piss this guy off. Because I wouldn't insinuate government involvement although you could argue scaring the country, congress, and newsrooms enhanced the "War on Terror". I'm sure it was another lone gunman. He just used 9/11 and Allah to through everybody off, athough he had to know it would be traced back to his lab. hmmmmmmmmmm......</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unitedjustice.com/anthrax-letters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.unitedjustice.com/anthrax-letters.html</a></p>
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