"Clinton, Obama to campaign together."

Well, that didn't take long, I'm happy to say.

-CW

(yes, Michale IS a masochist)

Let's see what those polls prove, shall we?

- Do you honestly think Obama can pull it together??

- I just don't see how he can do it..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

(because Michale just cannot click on a link and comprehend the data)

1) That McCain lost his unchallenged lead in the polls in January 2007.

2) That since losing his unchallenged lead, McCain has only led in the polls 21 times.

3) That Obama has only lost the lead in the polls once (to a tie) since the start of May.

4) That Obama is seen as the more viable candidate between McCain and Obama by a very broad cross-section since the polls cited are NUMEROUS POLLS FROM NUMEROUS SOURCES.

5) That Michale cannot be bothered by facts

6) That when his arguments are destroyed by said facts he runs to a new argument.

7) That his new argument is again easily destroyed by the same facts that destroyed his original argument.

8) and that Michale can be counted on to claim victory anyway because he says he won much like a child does... (LMFAO)

Do you truly and HONESTLY believe that Polls "prove" anything????

Do you??? Seriously???

Especially a poll that is in regards to an event that is not going to take place for another 4 months..

You are REALLY out of it, aren'tcha??

Michale.....

Ok, I understand about privacy and that you edited out the name... however... that, in no way, dismisses the fact that his argument hinged on a comment taken off a blog instead of hard, cold fact.

What holds more weight?

A comment in a blog, or, the actual polls that PROVE that the comment and commenter, and thus Michale, is full of it?

Well, of course you are. Because they say what you want them to say..

Anyone who uses polls to make a point is ignorant or lazy.. Or both... The only time one should ever use polls is to show how moronic polls are..

As for the "sole" comment. I invite you over to http://taylormarsh.com, http://camille424.wordpress.com/ and a host of other sites and see how much Obama is loved by an apparently very vocal group of Democrats. Or just google PUMA and OBAMA and see what you come up with..

Could their opinions change by Nov? Possibly But to deny they exist right now is simply denying the facts and is just... well...

http://xboxman.us/temp/afraid1.jpg

Michale.....

Far be it for me to defend Michale, but the comment was anonymous because I personally edited the name out, without his knowledge.

But I agree with most of your comment, especially the bit about the polls. <a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com/" rel="nofollow">Electoral-Vote.com</a> currently has Obama up in the Electoral College 344 to McCain's 194. Those are some pretty sobering numbers!

Carry on, all, I just wanted to clear up why the comment was unknown -- it was due to my intervention, Michale actually posted the commenter's name, but I had to cut it out. Not only is <em>your</em> privacy guaranteed on my site, but other site's commenters receive the same iron-clad guarantee.

Like I said, not to defend Michale, but I'm the culprit here, so I have to point it out. Carry on...

-CW

- Do you honestly think Obama can pull it together??

And, the "fact", the "proof", the "argument" put forth for this statement?

- "Obama is WORSE, MUCH WORSE than McCain. Bush is probably better than Obama."

Because he pulled out ONE comment from "a blog" from some unknown and unnamed individual... (lmfao)...

So... let's return to the REAL world, shall we? RealClearPolitics has a very nice compilation of the latest polls found at the link below:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

So... what are the polls saying?

Rasmussen has Obama over McCain by 3 points.

Gallop has Obama over McCain by 5 points.

Rueters/Zogby has Obama over McCain by 5 points

ABC News/Wash Post has Obama over McCain by 4 points.

Cook/RT Strategy's has Obama over McCain by 4 points.

Ummm... that is all of the major polls, and, in EVERY SINGLE POLL DONE OBAMA IS AHEAD OF McCAIN.

Sure, it's CLOSE, but, that wasn't the statement made by Michale, was it.

- Do you honestly think Obama can pull it together??

- I just don't see how he can do it..

What does this mean? It means, that, once again, Michale is proven totally WRONG in his "opinions" (ie, right-wing talking points)... surrrr-prise surrrr-prise surrrr-prise.

(now waits for the inevitable whining about how facts have a well-known liberal bias and of course, since it's his "opinion", there is absolutely no way he can be wrong because, (gasps) he was... was... ATTACKED... oh, the horrors...)

Analysis: Obama chose winning over his word
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money_analysis_2

I am deeply disappointed...

Michale.....

Obama is WORSE, MUCH WORSE than McCain. Bush is probably better than Obama.

Do you honestly think Obama can pull it together??

Believe it or not, I **AM** pulling for him so far..

I just don't see how he can do it..

Michale.....

[This comment has been edited. The only thing removed was the name of the person quoted above, assumably from a comment to another site. Since I do not have permission from the person to use their name, I had to delete it, although I left the comment. Sorry... CW]

That Tole's cartoon is hilarious!!! :D

"It's funny because it's true."
-Homer Simpson

Michale.....

As of Wednesday, sources said the new bill would allow a federal district court to decide whether to provide retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies being sued for their role in the Bush administration’s warrantless surveillance program....One source said the federal district court deciding on retroactive immunity would review whether there was "substantial evidence" the companies had received assurances from the government that the administration’s program was legal.

Obama fans might enjoy Tom Toles' latest cartoon.

And Hillary fans may enjoy (or may not, it's a little caustic) this article in this week's Onion (news satire site, for those who don't know).

OK, break time is over. Get back to commenting! Quit slacking off!

Heh heh.

-CW

Although it's never needed, it's nice to have my opinions validated.. :D

Michale.....

- You do realize that I gave an OPINION, right??

And your opinion is, and has been, consistently... WRONG... because you do nothing but trot out GOP talking points that have already been debunked.

- Besides, I stated "GENERAL', no??

Ummm... no. You, in fact, in the very first post stated, and I quote:

"Anyways, in this atmosphere, I don't see how Obama can prevail in the General.. Let alone any of the down-stream races going Dem.."

Here, let me, for those of you who are challenged... ie, YOU Michale... emphasize the quote...

"Anyways, in this atmosphere, I don't see how Obama can prevail in the General.. LET ALONE ANY OF THE DOWN-STREAM RACES GOING DEM.."

The "down-stream", and, btw, it's "down-TICKET" races, have already been shown to be going to the Dem's, ie, the special elections that have just been held to fill the seats that came open. Since three of those races proved that Democrats are very competitive against the GOP since they were in traditionally "safe" GOP districts and went to a Democrat.

And then, Michale runs to the ultimate wingnut meme:

- By attacking the messenger, you are simply validating and conceding the message.

Ummm... sure Michale... in wingnut-land, being proven wrong makes you right... and black is white... and up is down... because pointing out just how wrong you are is an "attack" and "attacking" a wrong statement with facts makes the wrong statement suddenly right and... (just starts laughing)

You do realize that I gave an OPINION, right??

Besides, I stated "GENERAL', no??

You are talking about SPECIAL ELECTIONS..

Why don't you try and smooth down that huge chip you have on your shoulder and try to think logically and rationally..

By attacking the messenger, you are simply validating and conceding the message.

Michale....

How?

Because he's wrong on EVERYTHING.

- Anyways, in this atmosphere, I don't see how Obama can prevail in the General.. Let alone any of the down-stream races going Dem..

Right. Michale can't see how any of the down-stream races can go Dem... even though the Dem's just won 4... count them... 4... special elections, at least 3 of which were in +10 GOP districts.

I mean... how wrong can somebody be, much less, being wrong so often????

Oh... nevermind... we have Bush and his cronies in the government and here, it's Michale...

I also think that she should give a strong supportive speach at the Convention and perhaps be the one to introduce Sen. Obama.

...Stan

One of the HRC Supporters stated that Tim Russert is dead because he crossed Obama.. I shit you not..

Another one stated that T Russert and T Kennedy are suffering "karma" right now for having supported Obama.. Again, I shit you not..

This is the kind of hysterical mud-slinging that is going on out of the HRC camp. I don't see nearly that kind of hatred flowing out of the Obama camp, but there IS a certain smugness that just seems to infuriate the HRC camp...

While it could be fair to say that all the mud-slinging are just a vocal few, relatively speaking. But there are anti-obama sites cropping up all over the net. And for every mud-sling I see on this former HRC Support site, I am sure there are dozens on other sites...

Just do a GOOGLE for PUMA and OBAMA and you'll get an eyeful...

Anyways, in this atmosphere, I don't see how Obama can prevail in the General.. Let alone any of the down-stream races going Dem..

On the other hand, it IS only mid June, so.....

Michale.....