Comments on: Democrats Get Some Things Done As Republicans Buck Bush http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/ Reality-based political commentary Sun, 19 Apr 2026 17:11:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2283 Michale Fri, 16 May 2008 18:35:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2283 Yea, I can imagine... On the face of it, it seems an impossibility for Hillary to run as an Independent.. I mean, she is like $20 mil in debt already... But, on the other hand, one should never underestimate the delusional aspects of the Clintonistas... Has there ever been an election in recent history with TWO Independent candidates of any worth?? I am guessing that Clinton would siphon a LOT more Dems than Barr would siphon GOP... Right?? Michale..... Yea, I can imagine...

On the face of it, it seems an impossibility for Hillary to run as an Independent.. I mean, she is like $20 mil in debt already...

But, on the other hand, one should never underestimate the delusional aspects of the Clintonistas...

Has there ever been an election in recent history with TWO Independent candidates of any worth??

I am guessing that Clinton would siphon a LOT more Dems than Barr would siphon GOP... Right??

Michale.....

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2282 Chris Weigant Fri, 16 May 2008 18:09:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2282 Michale - Hoo boy. I don't know... I'm still getting used to Bob Barr as a possible Libertarian candidate, myself! -CW Michale -

Hoo boy. I don't know... I'm still getting used to Bob Barr as a possible Libertarian candidate, myself!

-CW

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2281 Michale Fri, 16 May 2008 14:51:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2281 The difference between the GOP non-contest and the Dem contest is that Huckabee and Paul are not actively tearing down McCain.. For the GOP, the healing process has already begun... Granted, it's no where near complete, as those contests show, but the process has begun.. With the Dem contest, not only has the healing not even started, but there is no indication as to when, or even IF, the process will start... If you liken it to a foot race, McCain has already stopped running and is conserving his "energy" (cash, etc etc) for the General Election foot race.. Clinton is hobbling around with two busted ankles, but she refuses to concede the race, forcing Obama to sprint all the way to the finish line. When he gets there (as we know he will), he will be tired, winded and poorer, facing a well rested McCain for the immediate start of THE race... Whenever I hear a Clinton supporter say, "What's wrong with letting Clinton finish the race??" I have to laugh at their disingenuousness and utterly non existent grasp of reality... Whatever problems the GOP has (and they are numerous, don't get me wrong) they completely pale in significance when compared to what the Democratic Party is facing... I had always liked CW's "What If" commentaries, where he postulated a scenario with a Bloomberg Indy run, etc etc... I would LOVE to see his thoughts on what would happen if Hillary pulled a "Lieberman" and ran as an INDEPENDENT after losing the Dem nomination.. What you say, CW??? :D Michale..... The difference between the GOP non-contest and the Dem contest is that Huckabee and Paul are not actively tearing down McCain.. For the GOP, the healing process has already begun... Granted, it's no where near complete, as those contests show, but the process has begun..

With the Dem contest, not only has the healing not even started, but there is no indication as to when, or even IF, the process will start...

If you liken it to a foot race, McCain has already stopped running and is conserving his "energy" (cash, etc etc) for the General Election foot race..
Clinton is hobbling around with two busted ankles, but she refuses to concede the race, forcing Obama to sprint all the way to the finish line. When he gets there (as we know he will), he will be tired, winded and poorer, facing a well rested McCain for the immediate start of THE race...

Whenever I hear a Clinton supporter say, "What's wrong with letting Clinton finish the race??" I have to laugh at their disingenuousness and utterly non existent grasp of reality...

Whatever problems the GOP has (and they are numerous, don't get me wrong) they completely pale in significance when compared to what the Democratic Party is facing...

I had always liked CW's "What If" commentaries, where he postulated a scenario with a Bloomberg Indy run, etc etc...

I would LOVE to see his thoughts on what would happen if Hillary pulled a "Lieberman" and ran as an INDEPENDENT after losing the Dem nomination..

What you say, CW??? :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Thatcher http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2280 Thatcher Fri, 16 May 2008 14:23:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2280 @Michale, et al ... The blogosphere commenters are normally the most "rabid" of supporters for either side (and factions within those sides). Do not take the extreme comments made by a commenter as representative of the entire universe of supporters. The average person has no clue what is being posted "on their behalf" by hard-core blog-surfers. To say that either side is heavily splintered based upon this would be overestimating the problem. It would be like looking at a spike in crime in one city block and say that the entire city is experiencing a crime wave. The average Democrat and the average Republican (80%+ of the partisan populace) will back their respective nominees. It will be up to the campaigns to calm and convince the hard-core supporters of previous opponents to "come on over". If any party should be worried about fracturing, it's the Republicans ... McCain cannot pull above 80% in recent primaries while he is the "presumptive nominee" of the party. Huckabee (who has dropped out), Paul (who is "still in") and other who are out have been pulling upwards 27% in these latest primaries. With Edwards' endorsement of Obama, it would have been interesting if Edwards was still on the KY ballot to see if he would match his 7% performance in WV or if his supporters had followed his lead. We'll never know, I guess. @Michale, et al ...

The blogosphere commenters are normally the most "rabid" of supporters for either side (and factions within those sides). Do not take the extreme comments made by a commenter as representative of the entire universe of supporters. The average person has no clue what is being posted "on their behalf" by hard-core blog-surfers.

To say that either side is heavily splintered based upon this would be overestimating the problem. It would be like looking at a spike in crime in one city block and say that the entire city is experiencing a crime wave.

The average Democrat and the average Republican (80%+ of the partisan populace) will back their respective nominees. It will be up to the campaigns to calm and convince the hard-core supporters of previous opponents to "come on over".

If any party should be worried about fracturing, it's the Republicans ... McCain cannot pull above 80% in recent primaries while he is the "presumptive nominee" of the party. Huckabee (who has dropped out), Paul (who is "still in") and other who are out have been pulling upwards 27% in these latest primaries.

With Edwards' endorsement of Obama, it would have been interesting if Edwards was still on the KY ballot to see if he would match his 7% performance in WV or if his supporters had followed his lead. We'll never know, I guess.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2279 Michale Fri, 16 May 2008 11:04:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2279 While it may be considered rude to post links to other blogs, I felt this little diddey really addresses the central issue.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/clinton-protest-voters-fo_b_102042.html Michale..... While it may be considered rude to post links to other blogs, I felt this little diddey really addresses the central issue..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/clinton-protest-voters-fo_b_102042.html

Michale.....

]]> By: akadjian http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2277 akadjian Fri, 16 May 2008 04:22:45 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2277 There has been a lot of back and forth going on in the Dem party because of the primary. But I think it will come together. There's just too much at stake. As Hillary Clinton said, it would be a "terrible mistake" to vote for McCain over Obama. Think we're almost near a tipping point. Dave There has been a lot of back and forth going on in the Dem party because of the primary. But I think it will come together. There's just too much at stake.

As Hillary Clinton said, it would be a "terrible mistake" to vote for McCain over Obama.

Think we're almost near a tipping point.

Dave

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2276 Michale Thu, 15 May 2008 23:36:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2276 I have to disagree with Stan... To a point.. The Democratic Party is badly fractured and divided. Peruse some of the COMMENTS over at Taylor Marsh and HuffPo if you don't believe it.. Right now the Dem Party would fight over a cup of warm spit... Having said that, it IS possible that such division and fracture won't affect the Dems in Congress... SLIGHTLY possible, but possible nonetheless... Michale..... I have to disagree with Stan... To a point..

The Democratic Party is badly fractured and divided. Peruse some of the COMMENTS over at Taylor Marsh and HuffPo if you don't believe it..

Right now the Dem Party would fight over a cup of warm spit...

Having said that, it IS possible that such division and fracture won't affect the Dems in Congress...

SLIGHTLY possible, but possible nonetheless...

Michale.....

]]> By: fstanley http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2275 fstanley Thu, 15 May 2008 23:30:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2275 I have to disagree with Michale about the Dems being divided. I think that things will come together around a candidate. However, even if this takes until the convention I don't think it effects how the Dems work together in Congress. Nancy Pelosi has done a great job keeping the election out of the House and getting everyone on board. I think that the Dems have a great opportunity to pass some good legislation before the election. ...Stan I have to disagree with Michale about the Dems being divided. I think that things will come together around a candidate. However, even if this takes until the convention I don't think it effects how the Dems work together in Congress. Nancy Pelosi has done a great job keeping the election out of the House and getting everyone on board. I think that the Dems have a great opportunity to pass some good legislation before the election.

...Stan

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2274 Michale Thu, 15 May 2008 23:13:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2008/05/15/democrats-get-some-things-done-as-republicans-buck-bush/#comment-2274 Don't take this the wrong way, CW.. Because you KNOW that I respect the hell out of you.. But it strikes me that you are harping on the cracks in the GOP (which are, for the most part, plainly visible).. Yet, you are doing it from the deck of the Good Ship Democrat that is taking on water and on the verge of implosion... Whatever weaknesses in the GOP exists, it's nothing compared to the outright civil war that is brewing within the Democratic Party. I am thinking here that, before the Dems can exploit the weaknesses in the GOP, they need to get their own house in order... If the Dems attack the GOP, divided as they are, the November election will be a bloodbath and Dem "bodies" will litter the battlefield... For some reason, the civil war episode of STAR TREK: VOYAGER comes to mind.. Although the Dem Party and the GOP are no where near the equal of the Q Continuum, the petty bickering sure seems comparable... Michale..... Don't take this the wrong way, CW.. Because you KNOW that I respect the hell out of you..

But it strikes me that you are harping on the cracks in the GOP (which are, for the most part, plainly visible).. Yet, you are doing it from the deck of the Good Ship Democrat that is taking on water and on the verge of implosion...

Whatever weaknesses in the GOP exists, it's nothing compared to the outright civil war that is brewing within the Democratic Party.

I am thinking here that, before the Dems can exploit the weaknesses in the GOP, they need to get their own house in order...

If the Dems attack the GOP, divided as they are, the November election will be a bloodbath and Dem "bodies" will litter the battlefield...

For some reason, the civil war episode of STAR TREK: VOYAGER comes to mind.. Although the Dem Party and the GOP are no where near the equal of the Q Continuum, the petty bickering sure seems comparable...

Michale.....

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