And I am going to tattoo "" on my forehead!!! :D

Michale.....

Luckily, you forgot that my comments accept angle brackets for tags again, (heh heh) so I was not forced to deal with copyright issues at all!

But the link works, (the xboxman.us one two comments above) and I urge everyone to take a look, because it's really funny! Thanks for the laugh, M.

-CW

Truer words were never spoken..

Michale.....

[img]http://xboxman.us/temp/PeterBrookes385_321385a.jpg[/img]

Link in case IMG tags are not supported...
http://xboxman.us/temp/PeterBrookes385_321385a.jpg

@CW, if there are copyright issues, feel free to delete this post...

Michale.....

As often as I disagree and argue and "fight" with the people on here, even *I* couldn't be so cruel as expose ya'all to THAT horrendous sight! :D

@akadjian

I honestly thought that Obama would be able to keep it close enough to give the Party elite some real leverage over forcing Clinton out..

As an outsider looking in, here is how I see things.

Hillary simply can't win and here is why. It's become apparent that the decision is going to rest with the Superdelegates.. That's a widely accepted no-brainer.. It's also widely accepted that Clinton cannot catch Obama in any meaningful way. The two relevant columns (popular vote and delegate count) are firmly with Obama and, barring a catastrophe, Clinton cannot catch up..

Given these accepted facts, there are only two ways things can go..

If the Supers override the popular vote and delegate count, then the Democratic Party will be in a civil war. The Dems will lose one of their most populous and loyal groups and send them into the voting booth to vote GOP.. The 1968 Dem Convention will look like a tea party by comparison..

Now, it can be argued that the same thing could happen if the Supers nominate to Obama. But I don't think so. Because it's logical and rational that the nomination would go to Obama, because he leads in the relevant categories.. (as an aside, didn't ya love that Clinton made the argument that "Hillary is winning in the electoral vote category" That was a hoot!! :D)

In short, if the supers nominate Obama, it will be seen as the right thing to do. Sure, the Clintonistas will, on the surface, grumble and moan and scream and yell. But, deep down, they will acknowledge the logic and rationale of the decision and eventually accept it. Whether they will accept it in time to help the Dems in the general election is open to debate..

However, (this is "in short"??? :D ) if the supers nominate Clinton, it can only be viewed by the Obamabots (I usually hate facetious labeling, but since I did it to Clinton, I must with Obama :D )as a backroom deal designed to steal the nomination from the rightful winner. And, by and large, they would be right.. While there are some logical, albeit weak, justifications for this move by the supers, I don't think it will be enough to placate the Obama supporters.

If Clinton has ANY party loyalty left, she should bow out..

Now, I have stated there are only two options, but there are also other possibilities that are remote, yet still possibilities. An Obama/Clinton ticket is probably the best way out for the Dem Party. But I honestly can't see this happening, although it's not being dismissed out of hand as much anymore, so it's possibly becoming more of an option. I don't think we will see a Clinton/Obama proposal as that would infuriate the Dem black groups even MORE than the supers handing the nomination to Clinton..

Finally, on a personal note, I am really torn here. Intellectually I know that a Dem fight is the best thing to happen to insure a GOP victory.. But, I have to admit that I am always disappointed when I see a Hillary win that allows her to continue to fight.

It's a contradiction in attitudes I have a hard time explaining..

Michale.....

Too bad, though. Was hoping to see a shift. Unfortunately, Hillary has done a good job of changing the conversation so Obama is playing on her turf.

She's used the Republican strategy of making your opponent look weak.

Here's my Obama tip of the day: find a way to make her play on your turf.

Suggestion #1: Challenge her publicly to a positive campaign in the name of the party. She says 'yes,' she's on your turf. She says 'no,' she appears selfish. Either way, Obama wins.

Suggestion #2: Explain how sticking to your ideals is the stronger position. Do voters want a President willing to compromise her ideals? Willing to compromise in order to win?

What do you think, Michale? I keep hoping he will take the attack to her, but keep it positive.

And the reason I think this is important is that overall, Democrats need to find an effective way to counter when Republican accuse them of being weak.

Here's to Guam!
Dave

With 99% reporting, the final numbers are:
Clinton - 1,259,832 - 55% - 81 del.
Obama - 1,044,663 - 45% - 69 del.

8 delegates left to be decided.

Crossover GOP voters may have had an impact on this, as in Texas, you're right.

Michale -

At least you didn't promise to dress as the leading Thrall character. Finding a tinfoil bikini would be next to impossible!

Heh heh.

-CW

Hehehehehehehehehe

Michale.....

So the 10 point win translates into something like 200,000 votes, yes? If so, what do you think about the 168,000 republicans who switched their affiliation before the primary? Trying to remember where I heard that number quoted - NPR possibly. Anyway, that is a significant number to jump ship, there must have been a motive. -Ginger