Comments on: The Mud Will Fly In 2008 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/ Reality-based political commentary Wed, 27 May 2026 04:53:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: PlacitasRoy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1336 PlacitasRoy Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:02:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1336 CDub - I think you just got insulted. I'm sure you have as much passion and common sense as Cindy. You probably have more courage than Pelosi& Reid. Doubt if you have the comedic ability of Franken and might probably can't match his intellectual wit....but then again not many people do. Michale says "As far as you quoting Media Matters, you just lost all credibility there.." It is a lot easier to dismiss the site than dispute their links and documentation. That’s what I do when I debunk the lies, half truths, and misrepresentations that Newsmax, Sludge, Brent Bozell's POS Newsbusters site, or any of the Reich-wing propaganda outlets. But then again, I like to show specific examples of how the bastards distort and lie. I was glad to see Media Matters deconstruct little bow-tie castration phobic Tucker Carlson’s hyping the bullshit story. http://clips.mediamatters.org/items/200710170002?f=i_latest BTW: you forgot to mention the rumor a Reich-wing hater attempted to start on his national radio show: "Dave Brock is the illegitimate bastard child of Hillary Clinton and [philanthropist] George Soros." CDub - I think you just got insulted. I'm sure you have as much passion and common sense as Cindy. You probably have more courage than Pelosi& Reid. Doubt if you have the comedic ability of Franken and might probably can't match his intellectual wit....but then again not many people do.

Michale says "As far as you quoting Media Matters, you just lost all credibility there.." It is a lot easier to dismiss the site than dispute their links and documentation. That’s what I do when I debunk the lies, half truths, and misrepresentations that Newsmax, Sludge, Brent Bozell's POS Newsbusters site, or any of the Reich-wing propaganda outlets. But then again, I like to show specific examples of how the bastards distort and lie.

I was glad to see Media Matters deconstruct little bow-tie castration phobic Tucker Carlson’s hyping the bullshit story. http://clips.mediamatters.org/items/200710170002?f=i_latest

BTW: you forgot to mention the rumor a Reich-wing hater attempted to start on his national radio show: "Dave Brock is the illegitimate bastard child of Hillary Clinton and [philanthropist] George Soros."

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1333 Michale Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:03:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1333 @CDub >So you're on record as a >believer of Hillary Clinton. Abso-fracking-loutly... For the record, I do believe that there is a Hillary Clinton... I just don't believe in most of what she stands for.. Including her "pet project" Media Matters, assuming she is telling the truth when she says that she started it... Michale..... @CDub

>So you're on record as a
>believer of Hillary Clinton.

Abso-fracking-loutly...

For the record, I do believe that there is a Hillary Clinton...

I just don't believe in most of what she stands for.. Including her "pet project" Media Matters, assuming she is telling the truth when she says that she started it...

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1329 CDub Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:52:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1329 So you're on record as a believer of Hillary Clinton. So you're on record as a believer of Hillary Clinton.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1324 Michale Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:34:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1324 @PlacitasRoy >You're really not so naive to think >that attrocities weren't committed…are you? Of course not.. You are not so anti-American that you would think that actions committed by a renegade few reflect on the entire country... Are you??? As far as you quoting Media Matters, you just lost all credibility there.. Media Matters is a propaganda machine started by Hillary Clinton (at least according to her) and paid for by George Soros... It is about as biased and partisan an organization can possibly be... Michale..... @PlacitasRoy

>You're really not so naive to think
>that attrocities weren't committed…are you?

Of course not..

You are not so anti-American that you would think that actions committed by a renegade few reflect on the entire country... Are you???

As far as you quoting Media Matters, you just lost all credibility there..

Media Matters is a propaganda machine started by Hillary Clinton (at least according to her) and paid for by George Soros...

It is about as biased and partisan an organization can possibly be...

Michale.....

]]> By: PlacitasRoy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1322 PlacitasRoy Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:20:19 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1322 I assume you got the Slime boat talking point you referenced in your October 18th, 2007 at 12:59 PDT (3:59 EDT) from the RNC's fund raising e-mail that was distributed 10/18/07 1:21 PM? Media Matters has a good report on the 'publicons' latest LIE about the allegations about Hillary's eavesdropping. http://mediamatters.org/items/200710190001?f=h_latest In that report the (Arkansas) Democrat-Gazette, "....The law that [Arkansas] GOP Chairman Dennis Milligan said that now-U.S. Sen. Clinton of New York may have violated [during her husband's 1992 presidential campaign] wasn't on the books until 1993. And the complaint was filed 14 years too late." I assume you got the Slime boat talking point you referenced in your October 18th, 2007 at 12:59 PDT (3:59 EDT) from the RNC's fund raising e-mail that was distributed 10/18/07 1:21 PM?

Media Matters has a good report on the 'publicons' latest LIE about the allegations about Hillary's eavesdropping. http://mediamatters.org/items/200710190001?f=h_latest

In that report the (Arkansas) Democrat-Gazette, "....The law that [Arkansas] GOP Chairman Dennis Milligan said that now-U.S. Sen. Clinton of New York may have violated [during her husband's 1992 presidential campaign] wasn't on the books until 1993. And the complaint was filed 14 years too late."

]]> By: PlacitasRoy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1313 PlacitasRoy Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:07:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1313 "But those reports were never verified or substantiated..' Never heard of Mi Lai (sp)? You're really not so naive to think that attrocities weren't committed...are you? The simple fact is that while Dubya was dodging the draft and evading his obligations, Kerry served his country, was wounded in combat, received medals and then close to 40 years later was attacked by partisan hacks and pro-war activists with personal grudges to settle. "The "allegation" in the book was a statement of fact." that was just an alligantion with no proof to back it up. "If it is not true, why did they not dispute it??" Because logical people decided if the Reich-wing Clinton attack machine, a partisan political special prosecutor, and a few hundred congressional hearings didn’t find any substanciation, there was no credibility to the allegations stated as fact in a single book? "But those reports were never verified or substantiated..' Never heard of Mi Lai (sp)?
You're really not so naive to think that attrocities weren't committed...are you?

The simple fact is that while Dubya was dodging the draft and evading his obligations, Kerry served his country, was wounded in combat, received medals and then close to 40 years later was attacked by partisan hacks and pro-war activists with personal grudges to settle.

"The "allegation" in the book was a statement of fact." that was just an alligantion with no proof to back it up.

"If it is not true, why did they not dispute it??" Because logical people decided if the Reich-wing Clinton attack machine, a partisan political special prosecutor, and a few hundred congressional hearings didn’t find any substanciation, there was no credibility to the allegations stated as fact in a single book?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1310 Michale Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:54:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1310 Add HCGW (Human Caused Global Warming) to National Security and Self Defense, as I am sure we disagree.. :D Michale..... Add HCGW (Human Caused Global Warming) to National Security and Self Defense, as I am sure we disagree.. :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1309 Michale Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:22:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1309 @PlacitasRoy I would be willing to wager you any amount that, if we got away from issues of National Security or Self-Defense, that we would agree on practically everything... Michale..... @PlacitasRoy

I would be willing to wager you any amount that, if we got away from issues of National Security or Self-Defense, that we would agree on practically everything...

Michale.....

]]> By: PlacitasRoy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1307 PlacitasRoy Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:33:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1307 B> Hillary Clinton is more Republican than Democrat.. finally we agree on something. B> Hillary Clinton is more Republican than Democrat..

finally we agree on something.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1304 Michale Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:55:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1304 I'll take these in reverse order... The "allegation" in the book was a statement of fact. It was never disputed by Clinton or her campaign staff.. If it is not true, why did they not dispute it?? Because, it IS true.... You lose on that point.. As to John Kerry's Medals.. http://idexer.com/articles/kerry_medals.htm But, hay.. I am a fair guy.. All John Kerry has to do is sign the SF-180 Form and release his military records. Then this will ALL be cleared up... But wait.. John Kerry SAID he signed it... But, as usual with Kerry, he signed it but then he didn't sign it.. But then he did sign it... Go figure.. The simple fact is, Kerry has so twisted things that one can't even believe him when he says that ice is cold and water is wet... As for John Kerry witnessing atrocities, you do get a draw on this round. I was referring to the Winter Soldier Report, but I had misread it. John Kerry was reporting what OTHER people allegedly witnessed. But those reports were never verified or substantiated.. The simple facts are.. A> John Kerry is not the war hero you would wish him to be. Well, he WAS a war hero, but then he wasn't... At least, according to him.. B> Hillary Clinton is more Republican than Democrat.. C> Politicians are the same thru and thru. Your attempt to try to portray that Democrats are better than Republicans is for naught, because it just ain't so... Class dismissed.. Michale..... I'll take these in reverse order...

The "allegation" in the book was a statement of fact. It was never disputed by Clinton or her campaign staff..

If it is not true, why did they not dispute it??

Because, it IS true....

You lose on that point..

As to John Kerry's Medals..

http://idexer.com/articles/kerry_medals.htm

But, hay.. I am a fair guy.. All John Kerry has to do is sign the SF-180 Form and release his military records. Then this will ALL be cleared up...

But wait.. John Kerry SAID he signed it... But, as usual with Kerry, he signed it but then he didn't sign it.. But then he did sign it...

Go figure..

The simple fact is, Kerry has so twisted things that one can't even believe him when he says that ice is cold and water is wet...

As for John Kerry witnessing atrocities, you do get a draw on this round. I was referring to the Winter Soldier Report, but I had misread it. John Kerry was reporting what OTHER people allegedly witnessed. But those reports were never verified or substantiated..

The simple facts are..

A> John Kerry is not the war hero you would wish him to be. Well, he WAS a war hero, but then he wasn't... At least, according to him..

B> Hillary Clinton is more Republican than Democrat..

C> Politicians are the same thru and thru. Your attempt to try to portray that Democrats are better than Republicans is for naught, because it just ain't so...

Class dismissed..

Michale.....

]]> By: PlacitasRoy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1293 PlacitasRoy Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:46:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1293 Ok Michale. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. You stated "The "lie" that Kerry mislead Congress as to alleged "atrocities" that he witnessed." CITE THE RECORD IN WHICH KERRY SAID HE WITNESSED 'ATTROCITIES." Just to help you begin our investigation, try this link to his congressional testimony; http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204F.shtml NO CITATION, NO CREDIBILITY. You wrote some nonsense about psuedo [sic] Medals awarded to Kerry at his own instigation..,. You fell for lies, propaganda and bullshit that Snopes toughly debunked: “ Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances. STATUS: FALSE! Read all the details: www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp Regarding Hillary and phone calls: “Republicans on Capitol Hill and around the country engaged Tuesday in a coordinated effort to paint Hillary Clinton as hypocritical on the issue of government surveillance, seizing on an ALLEGATION in a recent book that Clinton secretly listened to [TAPE RECORDED] phone conversations of political opponents in 1992.” As if $70 million + squandered by Ken Starr’s investigation and the Congressional Investigations, which included 140 hours of sworn testimony about the Clinton’s Xmas card list, how the White House responded to mail sent to Socks the cat, and iclose to a 1000 subpoenas, wouldn’t have uncovered it. The only logical conclusion: pure bullshit. "There are many many other examples, but I think you get the point..' Yeah, I get the point. You regurgitate LIES, propaganda and bullshit. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Ok Michale. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

You stated "The "lie" that Kerry mislead Congress as to alleged "atrocities" that he witnessed." CITE THE RECORD IN WHICH KERRY SAID HE WITNESSED 'ATTROCITIES." Just to help you begin our investigation, try this link to his congressional testimony; http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082204F.shtml NO CITATION, NO CREDIBILITY.

You wrote some nonsense about psuedo [sic] Medals awarded to Kerry at his own instigation..,. You fell for lies, propaganda and bullshit that Snopes toughly debunked: “
Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances. STATUS: FALSE! Read all the details: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Regarding Hillary and phone calls: “Republicans on Capitol Hill and around the country engaged Tuesday in a coordinated effort to paint Hillary Clinton as hypocritical on the issue of government surveillance, seizing on an ALLEGATION in a recent book that Clinton secretly listened to [TAPE RECORDED] phone conversations of political opponents in 1992.” As if $70 million + squandered by Ken Starr’s investigation and the Congressional Investigations, which included 140 hours of sworn testimony about the Clinton’s Xmas card list, how the White House responded to mail sent to Socks the cat, and iclose to a 1000 subpoenas, wouldn’t have uncovered it. The only logical conclusion: pure bullshit.

"There are many many other examples, but I think you get the point..' Yeah, I get the point. You regurgitate LIES, propaganda and bullshit. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1288 Michale Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:59:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1288 Which "lies" are you referring to?? The "lie" that Kerry mislead Congress as to alleged "atrocities" that he witnessed?? Or the "lie" about the circumstances surrounding psuedo Medals awarded to Kerry at his own instigation.. There are many many other examples, but I think you get the point.. As to the upcoming election, I am not sure what kind of "lies" you are thinking will happen.. Perhaps you mean the "lie" that Hillary listened in on the private phone calls of political rivals.. Ooops.. That's not a lie, that really happened... Frankly, if Hillary actually is the Dem nominee, I don't think the GOP will have to resort to any form of lies... There is too much negative truth and facts about Hillary, that the GOP won't even have to bother making anything up... Michale..... Michale..... Which "lies" are you referring to??

The "lie" that Kerry mislead Congress as to alleged "atrocities" that he witnessed??

Or the "lie" about the circumstances surrounding psuedo Medals awarded to Kerry at his own instigation..

There are many many other examples, but I think you get the point..

As to the upcoming election, I am not sure what kind of "lies" you are thinking will happen..

Perhaps you mean the "lie" that Hillary listened in on the private phone calls of political rivals.. Ooops.. That's not a lie, that really happened...

Frankly, if Hillary actually is the Dem nominee, I don't think the GOP will have to resort to any form of lies...

There is too much negative truth and facts about Hillary, that the GOP won't even have to bother making anything up...

Michale.....

Michale.....

]]> By: PlacitasRoy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1282 PlacitasRoy Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:29:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1282 the Slime-boating of Kerry was probably the lowest tactic since before the civil war. Fortunately, who even the Democratic candidate is this cycle, they will not stand back and take the high-road of not responding to lies. the Slime-boating of Kerry was probably the lowest tactic since before the civil war. Fortunately, who even the Democratic candidate is this cycle, they will not stand back and take the high-road of not responding to lies.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1269 Michale Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:28:12 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1269 I could not possibly agree more with what Stan just posted... Michale..... I could not possibly agree more with what Stan just posted...

Michale.....

]]> By: fstanley http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1268 fstanley Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:30:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/10/17/the-mud-will-fly-in-2008/#comment-1268 Political campaigns seem to bring out the worst in people. In a way, it gives us a chance to see how low a candidate is prepared to go in order to win. Voters should ask themselves what kind of human being they want as a president and pay close attention to what campaign tactics may reveal about a person. ...Stan Political campaigns seem to bring out the worst in people. In a way, it gives us a chance to see how low a candidate is prepared to go in order to win. Voters should ask themselves what kind of human being they want as a president and pay close attention to what campaign tactics may reveal about a person.

...Stan

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