Comments on: Memo To Democrats: Talking Points http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/ Reality-based political commentary Fri, 15 May 2026 16:56:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-749 CDub Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:32:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-749 I can understand why you can't produce links to stories you've just made up, but if you don't know how Oliver North became a household name, it's because you don't want to know. I can understand why you can't produce links to stories you've just made up, but if you don't know how Oliver North became a household name, it's because you don't want to know.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-748 Michale Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:42:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-748 I didn't "forget" anything.. I figured since you are going to bail on providing proof about your alleged "South American terrorists", I would let you do your own digging for the violence and anti-americanism of MoveOn.org... Give you a hint though.. Claiming to have bought and paid for a political party is about as ANTI-AMERICAN as one can get. As far as the violence goes, all you would have had to do is live in Florida during the 2000 and 2004 Presidential Elections to see all the violence and assaults and vandalism committed by MoveOn.org's volunteers and reps. The violence against the Right committed by the Left was WAY WAY up during those two years.. Still waiting for your link to your "South American Terrorists" that Col North supplied.. Michale..... I didn't "forget" anything..

I figured since you are going to bail on providing proof about your alleged "South American terrorists", I would let you do your own digging for the violence and anti-americanism of MoveOn.org...

Give you a hint though.. Claiming to have bought and paid for a political party is about as ANTI-AMERICAN as one can get.

As far as the violence goes, all you would have had to do is live in Florida during the 2000 and 2004 Presidential Elections to see all the violence and assaults and vandalism committed by MoveOn.org's volunteers and reps.

The violence against the Right committed by the Left was WAY WAY up during those two years..

Still waiting for your link to your "South American Terrorists" that Col North supplied..

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-747 CDub Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:09:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-747 I did read the link you gave, and it said nothing of the sort, in fact the word 'own' only appears once in an entirely different context. I'm not the democratic party, so I couldn't tell you how it feels to be bought and paid for, but since these new links actually support your claim, two things come to mind. First, just because Move-On claims to own the democratic party, that doesn't make it true. And second, since Move-on is a coalition of American voters, it might be good if they Did own the democratic party, which they don't. The sad truth is that the democratic party is just like the republican party, paid for outright by everyone with an agenda. If move-on can influence the party to pay attention to voters, I'm pulling for them. Unless of course Move-on is anti-American (where's that link?), or violent (you forgot that link too). I did read the link you gave, and it said nothing of the sort, in fact the word 'own' only appears once in an entirely different context.

I'm not the democratic party, so I couldn't tell you how it feels to be bought and paid for, but since these new links actually support your claim, two things come to mind.

First, just because Move-On claims to own the democratic party, that doesn't make it true.

And second, since Move-on is a coalition of American voters, it might be good if they Did own the democratic party, which they don't. The sad truth is that the democratic party is just like the republican party, paid for outright by everyone with an agenda. If move-on can influence the party to pay attention to voters, I'm pulling for them.

Unless of course Move-on is anti-American (where's that link?), or violent (you forgot that link too).

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-746 Michale Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:44:51 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-746 So, now that we have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that MoveOn.org has claimed to have "bought and paid for" the Democratic Party, might you grace us with your opinion on how it feels to be "bought and paid for"... Or, do you wish to discuss what the definition of "is" is??? Michale..... So, now that we have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that MoveOn.org has claimed to have "bought and paid for" the Democratic Party, might you grace us with your opinion on how it feels to be "bought and paid for"...

Or, do you wish to discuss what the definition of "is" is???

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-745 Michale Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-745 @CW Got it... I usually do post links when I post portions or quotes.. But you are correct, I should post the link regardless.. Having said that, would you mind fixing my attributes?? Replace the [] with the Much ass grassy ass.. :D @CDub Did you even READ the articles I posted??? Regardless, I will help you along... :D <i>In a December 9th e-mail signed by “Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben, and the whole MoveOn PAC team,” the Soros front group stated: “In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.” </i> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=%7B89BC7BB2-298F-4B8D-99DF-A9EA273A0559%7D <i> "We bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back." Those are the now infamous words spoken by MoveOn.org founder Eli Pariser when speaking about the Democrat Party after the 2004 elections. "We own it." </i> http://www.nrsc.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=497 <i>On December 9, 2004, a month after Kerry's Election Day defeat, Pariser declared that MoveOn had effectively taken control of the Democratic Party. "For years," he said, "the party has been led by elite Washington insiders who are closer to corporate lobbyists than they are to the Democratic base. But we can't afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers. … In the last year, grass-roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back." </i> http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2138 That should put to rest your allegation that MoveOn.org did NOT claim to have "bought" the Democratic Party.. Ahem.... Moving on... :D Now that I have got you started, you can find the rest on your own, I am sure.... :D Michale..... @CW

Got it... I usually do post links when I post portions or quotes.. But you are correct, I should post the link regardless..

Having said that, would you mind fixing my attributes?? Replace the [] with the Much ass grassy ass.. :D

@CDub

Did you even READ the articles I posted???

Regardless, I will help you along... :D

In a December 9th e-mail signed by “Eli Pariser, Justin Ruben, and the whole MoveOn PAC team,” the Soros front group stated: “In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=%7B89BC7BB2-298F-4B8D-99DF-A9EA273A0559%7D


"We bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back." Those are the now infamous words spoken by MoveOn.org founder Eli Pariser when speaking about the Democrat Party after the 2004 elections. "We own it."

http://www.nrsc.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=497

On December 9, 2004, a month after Kerry's Election Day defeat, Pariser declared that MoveOn had effectively taken control of the Democratic Party. "For years," he said, "the party has been led by elite Washington insiders who are closer to corporate lobbyists than they are to the Democratic base. But we can't afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers. … In the last year, grass-roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2138

That should put to rest your allegation that MoveOn.org did NOT claim to have "bought" the Democratic Party..

Ahem.... Moving on... :D

Now that I have got you started, you can find the rest on your own, I am sure.... :D

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-744 CDub Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:28:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-744 I don't think you need a link for 'Free Sex with Britney', you just need to be in the same elevator. (OK, that was bad ... sorry Britney). I don't think you need a link for 'Free Sex with Britney', you just need to be in the same elevator.

(OK, that was bad ... sorry Britney).

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-743 Chris Weigant Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:44:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-743 OK, first I have to apologize as I've been too busy to keep up with some excellent comment threads this week and last. But I do have to address the legal issue. Michale, the way I understand it is copyright is not an issue as long as you post a link. So you can post a whole article if you like, but please make the title of the article a link to where you originally found it (ideally, where it first appeared and not from a third-party site). Anyone else who would like to post a link but does not know how, email me (from the "Email Chris" link at bottom right) and I will let you know how, or just post the text of the URL in your comment and I will make it into an active link for you. To be fair, I must also point out that CDub didn't post a link to "Free sex with Britney." Heh heh. [No, I'm not serious. Sex links are treated as spam and deleted.] Anyone posting multiple links in a single comment be warned that the spam filter catches it. Your post will be approved manually if it passes muster, but it may take a while. Just FYI. -CW OK, first I have to apologize as I've been too busy to keep up with some excellent comment threads this week and last.

But I do have to address the legal issue. Michale, the way I understand it is copyright is not an issue as long as you post a link. So you can post a whole article if you like, but please make the title of the article a link to where you originally found it (ideally, where it first appeared and not from a third-party site).

Anyone else who would like to post a link but does not know how, email me (from the "Email Chris" link at bottom right) and I will let you know how, or just post the text of the URL in your comment and I will make it into an active link for you.

To be fair, I must also point out that CDub didn't post a link to "Free sex with Britney."

Heh heh.

[No, I'm not serious. Sex links are treated as spam and deleted.]

Anyone posting multiple links in a single comment be warned that the spam filter catches it. Your post will be approved manually if it passes muster, but it may take a while. Just FYI.

-CW

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-742 CDub Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:32:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-742 Are you slipping Michale, You link doesn't support any of your claims. Where does it say that Move-On claims to have bought the democratic party? Where does it say that Move-On is Violent? Where does it say that Move-On is anti American? Don't pack up your racket just yet ... Or maybe you should. Are you slipping Michale,

You link doesn't support any of your claims.

Where does it say that Move-On claims to have bought the democratic party?

Where does it say that Move-On is Violent?

Where does it say that Move-On is anti American?

Don't pack up your racket just yet ... Or maybe you should.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-741 Michale Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:15:57 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-741 Again, CW.. If yer concerned about Copyright issues, feel free to delete... <b>Democrats Need to Take Stand Against Leftist Web Sites</b> Monday , September 17, 2007 By John Gibson <i> The former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has a new book out and he's weighed in on the Democratic Party. "The Clinton administration was a pretty centrist party," he said on "60 Minutes." "But they're not governing again. The next administration may have the Clinton administration name, but the Democratic Party has moved very significantly in the wrong direction." Greenspan was referring, The Wall Street Journal reported, to the Democratic Party's populist bent, especially its skepticism about free trade. But Greenspan might as well have been talking about other aspects of the MoveOn.org Party's hard left turn. You think I misspoke and that I should have said the Democrat Party? No, it's the MoveOn Party now. Because no Democrat running for president has had the courage to condemn MoveOn for its slime tactics against Gen. David Petraeus, nor has it been willing to cross the line set out by the far left triumvirate of MoveOn.org, the Daily Kos and ThinkProgress.org. When these guys say jump, the Democrats don't even pause to ask how high. They just jump and hope to God it's high enough. No Democrat is willing to cross the Internet organizations which have taken over the Democrat Party. Eli Pariser, who runs MoveOn's political action unit, famously said of the Democrat Party: "We own it, we bought it, we paid for it, and we're taking it back." That should have sent a shudder down the backs of Democrats, and it should have prompted them to get some distance. But instead, that declaration of ownership has been reciprocated with the bended knee of every Democrat running for president. Greenspan is right. Hillary's Democrats are not the same as Bill's Democrats. The new Democrats are meat eaters, and they will devour any of their own who deviates from the party line set down by Eli Pariser and George Soros, who writes the checks. I'd like to think Hillary has the guts to cut MoveOn loose. We'll be watching to see when her moment of courage comes, if it ever comes at all. That's My Word. </i> Let's try something new here.. Rather than making unsubstantiated personal attacks on the messenger, let's try and address the message... Wouldn't that be a golly gee whiz really nifty thing to do?? Michale..... Again, CW.. If yer concerned about Copyright issues, feel free to delete...

Democrats Need to Take Stand Against Leftist Web Sites

Monday , September 17, 2007
By John Gibson

The former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has a new book out and he's weighed in on the Democratic Party.

"The Clinton administration was a pretty centrist party," he said on "60 Minutes." "But they're not governing again. The next administration may have the Clinton administration name, but the Democratic Party has moved very significantly in the wrong direction."

Greenspan was referring, The Wall Street Journal reported, to the Democratic Party's populist bent, especially its skepticism about free trade. But Greenspan might as well have been talking about other aspects of the MoveOn.org Party's hard left turn.

You think I misspoke and that I should have said the Democrat Party? No, it's the MoveOn Party now. Because no Democrat running for president has had the courage to condemn MoveOn for its slime tactics against Gen. David Petraeus, nor has it been willing to cross the line set out by the far left triumvirate of MoveOn.org, the Daily Kos and ThinkProgress.org.

When these guys say jump, the Democrats don't even pause to ask how high. They just jump and hope to God it's high enough. No Democrat is willing to cross the Internet organizations which have taken over the Democrat Party.

Eli Pariser, who runs MoveOn's political action unit, famously said of the Democrat Party: "We own it, we bought it, we paid for it, and we're taking it back." That should have sent a shudder down the backs of Democrats, and it should have prompted them to get some distance. But instead, that declaration of ownership has been reciprocated with the bended knee of every Democrat running for president.

Greenspan is right. Hillary's Democrats are not the same as Bill's Democrats. The new Democrats are meat eaters, and they will devour any of their own who deviates from the party line set down by Eli Pariser and George Soros, who writes the checks.

I'd like to think Hillary has the guts to cut MoveOn loose. We'll be watching to see when her moment of courage comes, if it ever comes at all.

That's My Word.

Let's try something new here.. Rather than making unsubstantiated personal attacks on the messenger, let's try and address the message... Wouldn't that be a golly gee whiz really nifty thing to do??

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-738 Michale Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:40:35 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-738 @CDub >Why? are you crippled? The information >is at your fingertips as you read this. >Discover, learn. Ahhhh I see.. :D There wasn't any... >You don't recall correctly. Says you... :D There is an old Internet acronym. PPOSTFU It's very appropriate here... >Your suspicion is not borne out. >Though it is true that many USA >causes have been terrorist in >nature (See Ollie North). PPOSTFU :D >This is your claim, but where is the evidence? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297133,00.html GAME..... SET.......... MATCH................. Have a happy.... :D Michale..... @CDub

>Why? are you crippled? The information
>is at your fingertips as you read this.
>Discover, learn.

Ahhhh I see.. :D There wasn't any...

>You don't recall correctly.

Says you... :D There is an old Internet acronym. PPOSTFU It's very appropriate here...

>Your suspicion is not borne out.
>Though it is true that many USA
>causes have been terrorist in
>nature (See Ollie North).

PPOSTFU :D

>This is your claim, but where is the evidence?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297133,00.html

GAME.....

SET..........

MATCH.................

Have a happy.... :D

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-734 CDub Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:55:14 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-734 Oh and PS: Tell Ollie that if I ever stumble upon his grave, I'll spit on it in honor of the thousands of innocent Women and Children slaughtered as a direct consequence of his 'Patriotism'. CDub Oh and PS:

Tell Ollie that if I ever stumble upon his grave, I'll spit on it in honor of the thousands of innocent Women and Children slaughtered as a direct consequence of his 'Patriotism'.

CDub

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-733 CDub Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:50:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-733 @CDub Please identify the South American "Terrorists" that Col North armed.. ~~~~~ Why? are you crippled? The information is at your fingertips as you read this. Discover, learn. ~~~~~~ And, if I recall correctly, the deal was made to secure the release of American hostages.. I realize that you really don't like Americans all that much (except for the one's that agree with you) but still.. The hostages had families and such.. Doesn't that MEAN anything to you?? ~~~~~~ You don't recall correctly. ~~~~~~ Regardless, I suspect that yours is simply more Anti-America propaganda insofar as your determined to label anyone who supports the USA-cause as "terrorists"… ~~~~~~ Your suspicion is not borne out. Though it is true that many USA causes have been terrorist in nature (See Ollie North). ~~~~~~ On another note, how does it make you feel that an fanatical and violent Anti-America group has claimed to have "BOUGHT" your Democratic Party?? ~~~~~~ This is your claim, but where is the evidence? You sound very fanatic and anti-American when you make those claims. ~~~~~~ And we have terrorist groups praising the efforts of the Democrats et al in their battle against the Bush Administration.. It's amazing that the rhetoric from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah et al is nearly the SAME rhetoric that is coming from the Democratic Party… Strange that, eh?? ~~~~~~ Actually quite predictable. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and you know that the cat is not going to be on the side of those doing the skinning. But when the public is paying you to skin the cat and you botch the job so terribly that you run up the largest debts in the history of the world without ever getting the job done, and there's more cats as a consequence, don't expect the public to wave flags and say 'Heck of a job Georgie.' CDub @CDub

Please identify the South American "Terrorists" that Col North armed..
~~~~~

Why? are you crippled? The information is at your fingertips as you read this. Discover, learn.

~~~~~~
And, if I recall correctly, the deal was made to secure the release of American hostages.. I realize that you really don't like Americans all that much (except for the one's that agree with you) but still.. The hostages had families and such.. Doesn't that MEAN anything to you??
~~~~~~

You don't recall correctly.

~~~~~~
Regardless, I suspect that yours is simply more Anti-America propaganda insofar as your determined to label anyone who supports the USA-cause as "terrorists"…
~~~~~~

Your suspicion is not borne out. Though it is true that many USA causes have been terrorist in nature (See Ollie North).

~~~~~~
On another note, how does it make you feel that an fanatical and violent Anti-America group has claimed to have "BOUGHT" your Democratic Party??
~~~~~~

This is your claim, but where is the evidence? You sound very fanatic and anti-American when you make those claims.

~~~~~~
And we have terrorist groups praising the efforts of the Democrats et al in their battle against the Bush Administration..

It's amazing that the rhetoric from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah et al is nearly the SAME rhetoric that is coming from the Democratic Party…

Strange that, eh??
~~~~~~

Actually quite predictable.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, and you know that the cat is not going to be on the side of those doing the skinning. But when the public is paying you to skin the cat and you botch the job so terribly that you run up the largest debts in the history of the world without ever getting the job done, and there's more cats as a consequence, don't expect the public to wave flags and say 'Heck of a job Georgie.'

CDub

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-730 Michale Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:50:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-730 @CDub Please identify the South American "Terrorists" that Col North armed.. And, if I recall correctly, the deal was made to secure the release of American hostages.. I realize that you really don't like Americans all that much (except for the one's that agree with you) but still.. The hostages had families and such.. Doesn't that MEAN anything to you?? Regardless, I suspect that yours is simply more Anti-America propaganda insofar as your determined to label anyone who supports the USA-cause as "terrorists"... On another note, how does it make you feel that an fanatical and violent Anti-America group has claimed to have "BOUGHT" your Democratic Party?? And we have terrorist groups praising the efforts of the Democrats et al in their battle against the Bush Administration.. It's amazing that the rhetoric from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah et al is nearly the SAME rhetoric that is coming from the Democratic Party... Strange that, eh?? Michale..... @CDub

Please identify the South American "Terrorists" that Col North armed..

And, if I recall correctly, the deal was made to secure the release of American hostages.. I realize that you really don't like Americans all that much (except for the one's that agree with you) but still.. The hostages had families and such.. Doesn't that MEAN anything to you??

Regardless, I suspect that yours is simply more Anti-America propaganda insofar as your determined to label anyone who supports the USA-cause as "terrorists"...

On another note, how does it make you feel that an fanatical and violent Anti-America group has claimed to have "BOUGHT" your Democratic Party??

And we have terrorist groups praising the efforts of the Democrats et al in their battle against the Bush Administration..

It's amazing that the rhetoric from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah et al is nearly the SAME rhetoric that is coming from the Democratic Party...

Strange that, eh??

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-728 CDub Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:15:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-728 What? You haven't answered my question yet, and you think I owe you something? Since you have no intention of dealing with that, let's get back to Ollie ... Was arming South American terrorists when congress caught on and passed laws to stop him. So then he sold guns to Iran through an Israeli middleman in order to buy guns to arm South American terrorists and shredded the evidence when he got caught again. Which part of breaking US laws to arm terrorists was in defense of the USA? What? You haven't answered my question yet, and you think I owe you something?

Since you have no intention of dealing with that, let's get back to Ollie ... Was arming South American terrorists when congress caught on and passed laws to stop him. So then he sold guns to Iran through an Israeli middleman in order to buy guns to arm South American terrorists and shredded the evidence when he got caught again.

Which part of breaking US laws to arm terrorists was in defense of the USA?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-727 Michale Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:07:41 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-727 But, regardless of that, you still have yet to answer how you feel about the claim that your Political Party being bought and paid for by a radical and violent Anti-America fringe group.. Strange how you never answer anything put to you, but always have time to spew anti-American garbage... Michale..... But, regardless of that, you still have yet to answer how you feel about the claim that your Political Party being bought and paid for by a radical and violent Anti-America fringe group..

Strange how you never answer anything put to you, but always have time to spew anti-American garbage...

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-726 Michale Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:04:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-726 You mean, like Clinton's lies and obstruction of justice?? At least, with Col North, it was in DEFENSE of the USA.. Clinton lied because he was ashamed about getting a blow job in the Oval Office. You and your Democratic Party are the LAST ones who should talk about integrity and telling the truth.. Michale..... You mean, like Clinton's lies and obstruction of justice??

At least, with Col North, it was in DEFENSE of the USA..

Clinton lied because he was ashamed about getting a blow job in the Oval Office.

You and your Democratic Party are the LAST ones who should talk about integrity and telling the truth..

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-725 CDub Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:00:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-725 The same Oliver North that was indicted on 16 felony counts and convicted of 3 ... not like he was a war criminal, or running guns explicitly against a law created just to prevent it, or anything like that. Lying to congress seems to be advocated by one party ... hmmm, maybe I'll sign up and be a patriot. The same Oliver North that was indicted on 16 felony counts and convicted of 3 ... not like he was a war criminal, or running guns explicitly against a law created just to prevent it, or anything like that. Lying to congress seems to be advocated by one party ... hmmm, maybe I'll sign up and be a patriot.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-724 Michale Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:38:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-724 He is, undeniably, a patriotic American.. There isn't anyone on the Democratic side of things who has an iota of the integrity that Col. North has.. But, it's so typical of the radical Left to ignore the words and facts, but rather just resort to an attempt at character assassination.. That seems to be right in keeping with the Democrat's play book.. That is why the Democratic Party is known as the Anti America Party... Michale..... He is, undeniably, a patriotic American..

There isn't anyone on the Democratic side of things who has an iota of the integrity that Col. North has..

But, it's so typical of the radical Left to ignore the words and facts, but rather just resort to an attempt at character assassination.. That seems to be right in keeping with the Democrat's play book..

That is why the Democratic Party is known as the Anti America Party...

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-723 CDub Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:48:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-723 Oliver North eh? Now there's a credible Fox commentator. It's not like he was ever involved in shredding documents to hide his complicity in overthrowing a sovereign nation or anything, and I'll bet he never lied to congress either. Yep, a trustworthy voice if there ever was one. Oliver North eh?

Now there's a credible Fox commentator. It's not like he was ever involved in shredding documents to hide his complicity in overthrowing a sovereign nation or anything, and I'll bet he never lied to congress either. Yep, a trustworthy voice if there ever was one.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-722 Michale Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:38:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-722 Since ya'all can't be bothered to learn the truth about Iraq and the disgusting and appalling treatment our commanders receive at the hands of the Democrats (our gracious host excepted, of course), I decided to bring the truth to you. An aside to CW-If you are concerned about copyright issues, please feel free to delete this. No harm, no foul.. <b>Democrats' Blatant Display to Impugn General David Petraeus</b> By Lt. Col. Oliver North <i> Washington, D.C. — Any objective observer who watched or read this week’s House and Senate testimony of Gen. David Petraeus received an informative assessment of the situation on the battlefield in Mesopotamia. Our top military commander in Iraq proffered a cool, level-headed report on successes and failures to date, gave his assessment of the challenges ahead and provided rational recommendations for the future. By contrast, America’s Democrats gave the world a revealing look at the depths they are willing to plumb in their insatiable quest for raw political power. In what transpired before and during these hearings, Democrats made transparent their willingness to destroy anyone or anything that interferes with their designs. During a telephone conversation three days before Gen. Petraeus sat down next to Ambassador Ryan Crocker in the Caucus Room of the Cannon House Office building, my friend, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) told me that Democrats were conducting a “guerrilla campaign of character assassination” to impugn the general and that it would culminate with “a frontal attack” on his integrity. Congressman Hunter posited that based on my personal experience in a similar atmosphere, I would understand. But not even I could gauge how low the Democrats had sunk or how vicious they have become. On Monday morning — just hours before the first day of hearings — The New York Times published a full-page ad paid for by MoveOn.org, a leftist, anti-U.S. military organization that has become a major financial and propaganda organ for Democrats. The text, below a photo of the general read: “General Petraeus or General Betray-Us? Cooking the Books for the White House.” The clear implication of the ad was that a dishonest general, doing the bidding of the Bush administration, was going to dissemble before the Congress and could not be trusted to tell the truth. The hearings began with a familiar routine: shrill diatribes from Democrat committee chairmen Ike Skelton and Tom Lantos who lectured and hectored the general — denouncing the campaign in Iraq in general and Gen. Petraeus in particular. Mr. Lantos, who had once stood steadfast with the Reagan administration against communism, launched a pre-emptive strike on the battlefield commander’s testimony before he’d ever seen or heard it with a dismissively insulting: “I don’t buy it.” Then, the cabal that wants to abandon the war against radical Islam demonstrated their competence. They couldn’t even get the general’s microphone to work. While the world waited to hear what Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker would say, more than half a dozen anti-U.S. military protesters had their way. Allowed to enter the hearing room dressed in pink, the activists jumped up screaming obscenities and denouncing America, before being finally escorted from the chamber. Those who speculate that the muted microphones and the protests were orchestrated by the Democrats running the show have reason to wonder. When Gen. Petraeus was finally afforded the opportunity to speak he defended his words as his own. "This is my testimony, although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by nor shared with anyone in the Pentagon, the White House or the Congress until it was just handed out," he said. By then, the damage had already been done. Committee members like Mr. Lantos barely glanced at the detailed charts that accompanied the Petraeus presentation. At times, the Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee appeared to be having trouble staying awake. In the aftermath, some of my older “media colleagues” and even a member of Congress sympathetically opined that the treatment Gen. Petraeus received was reminiscent of another hearing 20 years ago this summer. They are wrong. What happened this week to Gen. Petraeus — and less directly to Amb. Crocker — was far worse than what transpired two decades ago on Capitol Hill during the Iran-Contra hearings. When Adm. John Poindexter and I testified, we weren’t in command. By the summer of 1987 the admiral and I were simply staff officers, summoned to testify about past events. That’s entirely different from the smear that took place this week. Gen. Petraeus commands more than 160,000 U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen and Marines who are in the field, battling a brutal enemy in the midst of a long, hard campaign. He was summoned — not “sent,” as Mr. Lantos alleged — to testify about current and future operations. Troops who have to face death daily, wearing flak jackets in 120 degree heat, watched and listened in barracks, bunkers and command-posts as their leader was denigrated, demeaned and belittled by the majority party in Congress. Such abusive treatment of a U.S. battlefield commander not only demoralizes our troops and disheartens our allies — it is a great encouragement to our enemies as well. Tellingly, the day after the hearings ended, Sheikh Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, the Sunni leader credited by Gen. Petraeus as the leader of the revolt against Al Qaeda, was assassinated by a bomb planted in his home. President Bush, who met the brave Sheikh in Al Anbar two weeks ago, immediately expressed his condolences. The Democrats couldn’t be bothered. Democrats have now shown the world that they will denigrate and destroy anyone or anything to placate their far-left, deep-pocket donors. Do the American people really want this party in power? </i> Since ya'all can't be bothered to learn the truth about Iraq and the disgusting and appalling treatment our commanders receive at the hands of the Democrats (our gracious host excepted, of course), I decided to bring the truth to you.

An aside to CW-If you are concerned about copyright issues, please feel free to delete this. No harm, no foul..

Democrats' Blatant Display to Impugn General David Petraeus
By Lt. Col. Oliver North

Washington, D.C. — Any objective observer who watched or read this week’s House and Senate testimony of Gen. David Petraeus received an informative assessment of the situation on the battlefield in Mesopotamia. Our top military commander in Iraq proffered a cool, level-headed report on successes and failures to date, gave his assessment of the challenges ahead and provided rational recommendations for the future.

By contrast, America’s Democrats gave the world a revealing look at the depths they are willing to plumb in their insatiable quest for raw political power. In what transpired before and during these hearings, Democrats made transparent their willingness to destroy anyone or anything that interferes with their designs.

During a telephone conversation three days before Gen. Petraeus sat down next to Ambassador Ryan Crocker in the Caucus Room of the Cannon House Office building, my friend, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) told me that Democrats were conducting a “guerrilla campaign of character assassination” to impugn the general and that it would culminate with “a frontal attack” on his integrity. Congressman Hunter posited that based on my personal experience in a similar atmosphere, I would understand. But not even I could gauge how low the Democrats had sunk or how vicious they have become.

On Monday morning — just hours before the first day of hearings — The New York Times published a full-page ad paid for by MoveOn.org, a leftist, anti-U.S. military organization that has become a major financial and propaganda organ for Democrats. The text, below a photo of the general read: “General Petraeus or General Betray-Us? Cooking the Books for the White House.” The clear implication of the ad was that a dishonest general, doing the bidding of the Bush administration, was going to dissemble before the Congress and could not be trusted to tell the truth.

The hearings began with a familiar routine: shrill diatribes from Democrat committee chairmen Ike Skelton and Tom Lantos who lectured and hectored the general — denouncing the campaign in Iraq in general and Gen. Petraeus in particular. Mr. Lantos, who had once stood steadfast with the Reagan administration against communism, launched a pre-emptive strike on the battlefield commander’s testimony before he’d ever seen or heard it with a dismissively insulting: “I don’t buy it.”

Then, the cabal that wants to abandon the war against radical Islam demonstrated their competence. They couldn’t even get the general’s microphone to work. While the world waited to hear what Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker would say, more than half a dozen anti-U.S. military protesters had their way.

Allowed to enter the hearing room dressed in pink, the activists jumped up screaming obscenities and denouncing America, before being finally escorted from the chamber. Those who speculate that the muted microphones and the protests were orchestrated by the Democrats running the show have reason to wonder.

When Gen. Petraeus was finally afforded the opportunity to speak he defended his words as his own. "This is my testimony, although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by nor shared with anyone in the Pentagon, the White House or the Congress until it was just handed out," he said. By then, the damage had already been done. Committee members like Mr. Lantos barely glanced at the detailed charts that accompanied the Petraeus presentation. At times, the Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee appeared to be having trouble staying awake.

In the aftermath, some of my older “media colleagues” and even a member of Congress sympathetically opined that the treatment Gen. Petraeus received was reminiscent of another hearing 20 years ago this summer. They are wrong.

What happened this week to Gen. Petraeus — and less directly to Amb. Crocker — was far worse than what transpired two decades ago on Capitol Hill during the Iran-Contra hearings. When Adm. John Poindexter and I testified, we weren’t in command. By the summer of 1987 the admiral and I were simply staff officers, summoned to testify about past events. That’s entirely different from the smear that took place this week.

Gen. Petraeus commands more than 160,000 U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen and Marines who are in the field, battling a brutal enemy in the midst of a long, hard campaign. He was summoned — not “sent,” as Mr. Lantos alleged — to testify about current and future operations. Troops who have to face death daily, wearing flak jackets in 120 degree heat, watched and listened in barracks, bunkers and command-posts as their leader was denigrated, demeaned and belittled by the majority party in Congress.

Such abusive treatment of a U.S. battlefield commander not only demoralizes our troops and disheartens our allies — it is a great encouragement to our enemies as well. Tellingly, the day after the hearings ended, Sheikh Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, the Sunni leader credited by Gen. Petraeus as the leader of the revolt against Al Qaeda, was assassinated by a bomb planted in his home. President Bush, who met the brave Sheikh in Al Anbar two weeks ago, immediately expressed his condolences. The Democrats couldn’t be bothered.

Democrats have now shown the world that they will denigrate and destroy anyone or anything to placate their far-left, deep-pocket donors. Do the American people really want this party in power?

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-720 Michale Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:37:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-720 @CDub >So you say that whatever Move-on says is true? I don't know how you get "Whatever MoveOn.Org says is true" from "What's your opinion about MOveOn.org's claim that they have 'bought' the Democratic Party?" :^/ As for proving the Nazi Party started out as a grass roots, of course I can.. Question is, why should I even bother?? @Gass >no matter how many sources… how many facts… You cherry pick your sources and your "facts" (which are nothing but hysterical innuendos anyways). Like I said, you are like the guy who has a picture book of all the birds of the world. You hysterically point to all the red birds in the book and scream, "RED BIRD!!! RED BIRD!!! RED BIRD!!! SEE!!! THESE 'FACTS' PROVE THAT ALL BIRDS IN THE WORLD ARE RED!!!" Your "sources" are nothing but other Bush Bashers ranting THEIR opinions that "all birds in the world are red." >how many times he/she is proven wrong… To date?? Not once... But, that's OK.. I am not out to be right.. I am simply here to show you that you MIGHT be wrong.. Something you simply cannot concede.. And you claim that *I* am the close-minded one?? What kind of liberal are you??? And, just to save you some typing, I am a guy... :D Michale..... @CDub

>So you say that whatever Move-on says is true?

I don't know how you get "Whatever MoveOn.Org says is true" from "What's your opinion about MOveOn.org's claim that they have 'bought' the Democratic Party?" :^/

As for proving the Nazi Party started out as a grass roots, of course I can.. Question is, why should I even bother??

@Gass

>no matter how many sources… how many facts…

You cherry pick your sources and your "facts" (which are nothing but hysterical innuendos anyways). Like I said, you are like the guy who has a picture book of all the birds of the world. You hysterically point to all the red birds in the book and scream,
"RED BIRD!!! RED BIRD!!! RED BIRD!!! SEE!!! THESE 'FACTS' PROVE THAT ALL BIRDS IN THE WORLD ARE RED!!!"

Your "sources" are nothing but other Bush Bashers ranting THEIR opinions that "all birds in the world are red."

>how many times he/she is proven wrong…

To date?? Not once... But, that's OK.. I am not out to be right.. I am simply here to show you that you MIGHT be wrong.. Something you simply cannot concede.. And you claim that *I* am the close-minded one??

What kind of liberal are you???

And, just to save you some typing, I am a guy... :D

Michale.....

]]> By: Michael Gass http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-719 Michael Gass Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:23:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-719 Cdub, I'm done responding to Michale... no matter how many sources... how many facts... how many times he/she is proven wrong... it is just another argument, just another talking point to debunk (if hasn't been already)... just more "but but CLINTON!!!". You will not get clear debate... and I'm doing trying. Cdub,

I'm done responding to Michale... no matter how many sources... how many facts... how many times he/she is proven wrong... it is just another argument, just another talking point to debunk (if hasn't been already)... just more "but but CLINTON!!!".

You will not get clear debate... and I'm doing trying.

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-718 CDub Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:43:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-718 Michale wrote: @CDub >If (if) Move-on says something, >does that make it true? According to many of the hysterical Anti-America Left, it does… ~~~~~~~~~~ So that's your answer, you are going to let 'many of the hysterical Anti-America Left' speak for you? So you say that whatever Move-on says is true? ~~~~~~~~~~ >Given a choice of a government >owned by corporations, or a government >owned by the grass roots, which would >you prefer? Though I am skirting close to a GODWIN here, I would point out that the NAZI party was a "grass roots" movement at the beginning.. Can you prove that? ~~~~~~~ Actually, I don't know why I even bother answering your questions, CDub.. You never return the courtesy of answering mine.. ~~~~~~~ But you actually dodged the first question, unless you side with 'many of the hysterical Anti-America Left' But you were clear on the second question, you'll take fascism over government of, by and for the people any day. ~~~~~~~ Oh well, I guess that just shows who stands firmly on their principles and beliefs and who does not.. ~~~~~~~ You can have your fascism and your rabid hysterical Anti-American left, I'll be over here if you ever really want to talk. Stand firm though. Michale wrote:

@CDub

>If (if) Move-on says something,
>does that make it true?

According to many of the hysterical Anti-America Left, it does…
~~~~~~~~~~
So that's your answer, you are going to let 'many of the hysterical Anti-America Left' speak for you? So you say that whatever Move-on says is true?

~~~~~~~~~~
>Given a choice of a government
>owned by corporations, or a government
>owned by the grass roots, which would
>you prefer?

Though I am skirting close to a GODWIN here, I would point out that the NAZI party was a "grass roots" movement at the beginning..

Can you prove that?
~~~~~~~
Actually, I don't know why I even bother answering your questions, CDub.. You never return the courtesy of answering mine..

~~~~~~~
But you actually dodged the first question, unless you side with 'many of the hysterical Anti-America Left'

But you were clear on the second question, you'll take fascism over government of, by and for the people any day.
~~~~~~~
Oh well, I guess that just shows who stands firmly on their principles and beliefs and who does not..

~~~~~~~
You can have your fascism and your rabid hysterical Anti-American left, I'll be over here if you ever really want to talk. Stand firm though.

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-717 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:55:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-717 On another note, CW... I guess the Anti War protesters did not read your column.. During the DC Protests today, it was, <b>"What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now," </b> How utterly lame and unoriginal... No wonder these anti-war loons can't get the media to give them the time of day... :^/ Michale..... On another note, CW...

I guess the Anti War protesters did not read your column..

During the DC Protests today, it was,

"What do we want? Troops out. When do we want it? Now,"

How utterly lame and unoriginal...

No wonder these anti-war loons can't get the media to give them the time of day... :^/

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-716 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:48:50 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-716 Wait a tic!! Did you say "FREE SEX WITH BRITNEY"???? Michale..... Wait a tic!!

Did you say "FREE SEX WITH BRITNEY"????

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-713 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:26:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-713 @CW As long as some of your readers can get past their hatred of "talking points" I think it is a grand idea.. @CDub >If (if) Move-on says something, >does that make it true? According to many of the hysterical Anti-America Left, it does... I was more concerned, though, with your thoughts on the Democratic Party being "bought"... >Given a choice of a government >owned by corporations, or a government >owned by the grass roots, which would >you prefer? Though I am skirting close to a GODWIN here, I would point out that the NAZI party was a "grass roots" movement at the beginning.. So, in this regard, I would definitely prefer a party that was bought by American Corporations rather than a radical, hysterical and violent Anti-America group. That is not to say I would like ANY Political Party to be "bought"... But, given the choice, I would choose the lesser of two evils... Having said all that, what's your thoughts?? Do you mind that a rabid, hysterical and violent Anti-America group has claimed to have "bought" your political party?? How does that make you feel?? Anyone?? Anyone??? Beuhler??? Actually, I don't know why I even bother answering your questions, CDub.. You never return the courtesy of answering mine.. Oh well, I guess that just shows who stands firmly on their principles and beliefs and who does not.. Michale..... @CW

As long as some of your readers can get past their hatred of "talking points" I think it is a grand idea..

@CDub

>If (if) Move-on says something,
>does that make it true?

According to many of the hysterical Anti-America Left, it does...

I was more concerned, though, with your thoughts on the Democratic Party being "bought"...

>Given a choice of a government
>owned by corporations, or a government
>owned by the grass roots, which would
>you prefer?

Though I am skirting close to a GODWIN here, I would point out that the NAZI party was a "grass roots" movement at the beginning..

So, in this regard, I would definitely prefer a party that was bought by American Corporations rather than a radical, hysterical and violent Anti-America group.

That is not to say I would like ANY Political Party to be "bought"... But, given the choice, I would choose the lesser of two evils...

Having said all that, what's your thoughts?? Do you mind that a rabid, hysterical and violent Anti-America group has claimed to have "bought" your political party??

How does that make you feel??

Anyone?? Anyone??? Beuhler???

Actually, I don't know why I even bother answering your questions, CDub.. You never return the courtesy of answering mine..

Oh well, I guess that just shows who stands firmly on their principles and beliefs and who does not..

Michale.....

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-711 CDub Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:32:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-711 Dear Michale, Two questions. If (if) Move-on says something, does that make it true? Given a choice of a government owned by corporations, or a government owned by the grass roots, which would you prefer? Dear Michale,

Two questions.

If (if) Move-on says something, does that make it true?

Given a choice of a government owned by corporations, or a government owned by the grass roots, which would you prefer?

]]> By: CDub http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-710 CDub Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:29:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-710 Chris Weigant wrote: OK, timeout. ~~~~~~~ Whew, I was gettin' plum tuckered. ~~~~~~~ I got to thinking after writing this column that this might be an interesting thing to do every Friday - put out a talking points memo for Democrats to use on the weekend talk shows. ~~~~~~~ This sounds like an excellent idea. Democrats need all the help they can get, whether they'll admit it or not. There's probably so much noise out there, that it will take them awhile to catch up. Maybe a title or keywords that will make it hard to miss (or dismiss)in a google search, would catch their attention. maybe: "Democratic Talking Points for xx/xx/xx" -or- "Free SEX with BRITNEY" Chris Weigant wrote:

OK, timeout.
~~~~~~~
Whew, I was gettin' plum tuckered.
~~~~~~~

I got to thinking after writing this column that this might be an interesting thing to do every Friday - put out a talking points memo for Democrats to use on the weekend talk shows.
~~~~~~~
This sounds like an excellent idea. Democrats need all the help they can get, whether they'll admit it or not. There's probably so much noise out there, that it will take them awhile to catch up. Maybe a title or keywords that will make it hard to miss (or dismiss)in a google search, would catch their attention. maybe:
"Democratic Talking Points for xx/xx/xx"
-or-
"Free SEX with BRITNEY"

]]> By: Chris Weigant http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-709 Chris Weigant Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:37:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-709 OK, timeout. I'll get around to commenting on some of these comments in a minute (I gotta post today's comic). But I wanted to ask you guys a serious question, so everybody just catch your breath and indulge me in this timeout here. I got to thinking after writing this column that this might be an interesting thing to do every Friday - put out a talking points memo for Democrats to use on the weekend talk shows. Sure, they'll probably ignore me, but it certainly seems like whoever is in charge of Democratic talking points (assuming there even IS anyone in charge -- a substantial assumption, it should be pointed out) doesn't really know what they're doing. Every so often there will be a week where the Dems score a few political points by repeating the same soundbite, but for the most part they're just all over the map. So what do you think of the idea of this becoming a weekly (Friday) feature? Good idea? Bad? Would it just get boring after a few weeks? Of course, since it would be weekly, I could go after very specific "hot issues" (which I normally don't do, read the "About the blog" page for why I philosophically try to stay away from "flash in the pan" stuff) -- and give Dems some snappy things to say about that week's issue du jour (issues de la semaine?). Anyway, just wanted to float the idea by you guys to see what you think. Cartoon will be posted soon, and check it out, there's a big announcement with it. -CW OK, timeout.

I'll get around to commenting on some of these comments in a minute (I gotta post today's comic).

But I wanted to ask you guys a serious question, so everybody just catch your breath and indulge me in this timeout here.

I got to thinking after writing this column that this might be an interesting thing to do every Friday - put out a talking points memo for Democrats to use on the weekend talk shows. Sure, they'll probably ignore me, but it certainly seems like whoever is in charge of Democratic talking points (assuming there even IS anyone in charge -- a substantial assumption, it should be pointed out) doesn't really know what they're doing. Every so often there will be a week where the Dems score a few political points by repeating the same soundbite, but for the most part they're just all over the map.

So what do you think of the idea of this becoming a weekly (Friday) feature? Good idea? Bad? Would it just get boring after a few weeks?

Of course, since it would be weekly, I could go after very specific "hot issues" (which I normally don't do, read the "About the blog" page for why I philosophically try to stay away from "flash in the pan" stuff) -- and give Dems some snappy things to say about that week's issue du jour (issues de la semaine?).

Anyway, just wanted to float the idea by you guys to see what you think. Cartoon will be posted soon, and check it out, there's a big announcement with it.

-CW

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-708 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:11:32 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-708 With regards to the Democratic Party, Moveon.org has stating <b><i> "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back," </i></b> It's finally nice to hear the truth.. The Democratic Party has been "bought" by a radical Anti-America organization. This all but guarantees a GOP sweep in the 2008 elections. I wonder how the likes of Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi feel about being "bought"... Michale..... With regards to the Democratic Party, Moveon.org has stating

"Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back,"

It's finally nice to hear the truth..

The Democratic Party has been "bought" by a radical Anti-America organization.

This all but guarantees a GOP sweep in the 2008 elections.

I wonder how the likes of Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi feel about being "bought"...

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-706 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:24:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-706 @Gass Actually it's you that are showing true colors.. I have never made it a point to denounce "talking points". I believe that talking points are a good thing, as they take complex and complicated issues and pare them down to understandability for those who are ignorant of the nuances of any particular issue. Much like you and military matters. You are on record as condemning the use of "talking points". Nearly all of your personal attacks against me are based on the use of "talking points". Now, you turn around and state you are going to post your own "talking points". How is that not hypocrisy?? You seem to believe that if the Democrats use talking points, it's a good thing. But if the Republicans use talking points, it's a bad thing. So, I ask again.. How is this not hypocrisy??? Michale..... @Gass

Actually it's you that are showing true colors..

I have never made it a point to denounce "talking points". I believe that talking points are a good thing, as they take complex and complicated issues and pare them down to understandability for those who are ignorant of the nuances of any particular issue. Much like you and military matters.

You are on record as condemning the use of "talking points". Nearly all of your personal attacks against me are based on the use of "talking points".

Now, you turn around and state you are going to post your own "talking points".

How is that not hypocrisy??

You seem to believe that if the Democrats use talking points, it's a good thing. But if the Republicans use talking points, it's a bad thing.

So, I ask again.. How is this not hypocrisy???

Michale.....

]]> By: Michael Gass http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-705 Michael Gass Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:10:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-705 and Michale shows his true colors... - talking points good when it slanders decorated veterans like Max Cleland and John Kerry... bad when Democrats even THINK to play THAT game! We didn't hear him/her denouncing THOSE talking points... only that the Democrats would ENTER the game... What is that tennis term? Point... Set... Match... and Michale shows his true colors...

- talking points good when it slanders decorated veterans like Max Cleland and John Kerry... bad when Democrats even THINK to play THAT game!

We didn't hear him/her denouncing THOSE talking points... only that the Democrats would ENTER the game...

What is that tennis term?

Point... Set... Match...

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-704 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:13:44 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-704 I do have one question though... >"We could end this war tomorrow if >Bush and the Republicans in Congress >would listen to the public." So, you are saying that Bush should prosecute a war based on the <b>INPUT OF THE PUBLIC</b>!!!! Please tell me you are joking!!! The ONLY thing worse than letting the American Public run a war is to let the US Congress run a war... Ya'all just don't seem to get the concept of "COMMANDER IN CHIEF"... I understand because of ya'alls lack of military experience.. That's not a dig, no matter how it comes out. (OK not MUCH of a dig)... But, military actions are not run by committee. A commander doesn't take a vote or decide to go with what's popular. Like it or not, Bush is the Commander of the US Military forces during time of war.. If the Democrats use the <b>"Bush is not listening to the American Public in the prosecution of the war"</b> talking point, the Republicans will CRUCIFY them. And the American Public will be right there, holding the nails... There won't be a Democrat left capable of being elected county Dog Catcher... When it comes to the US Military, the LAST thing that is needed is to prosecute the war based on Public Opinion... <i>"We're here to preserve Democracy. Not to practice it."</i> -Gene Hackman, CRIMSON TIDE Michale..... I do have one question though...

>"We could end this war tomorrow if
>Bush and the Republicans in Congress
>would listen to the public."

So, you are saying that Bush should prosecute a war based on the INPUT OF THE PUBLIC!!!!

Please tell me you are joking!!!

The ONLY thing worse than letting the American Public run a war is to let the US Congress run a war...

Ya'all just don't seem to get the concept of "COMMANDER IN CHIEF"... I understand because of ya'alls lack of military experience.. That's not a dig, no matter how it comes out. (OK not MUCH of a dig)...

But, military actions are not run by committee. A commander doesn't take a vote or decide to go with what's popular.

Like it or not, Bush is the Commander of the US Military forces during time of war..

If the Democrats use the "Bush is not listening to the American Public in the prosecution of the war" talking point, the Republicans will CRUCIFY them. And the American Public will be right there, holding the nails...

There won't be a Democrat left capable of being elected county Dog Catcher...

When it comes to the US Military, the LAST thing that is needed is to prosecute the war based on Public Opinion...

"We're here to preserve Democracy. Not to practice it."
-Gene Hackman, CRIMSON TIDE

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-703 Michale Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:00:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-703 @CW So, we have established that "Talking Points" are a GOOD thing, right?? As to your Bush's gaffes?? I suspect that, if any of us here had their posts previewed, reviewed and gone over with a fine tooth comb by hundreds of thousands of people bent on our personal destruction, there would be a few "gaffes" to find.. This is a non-issue.. As for your "talking points", they are quite good... Maybe now Gass will ease up on his attacks over "talking points".. It seems to be one of his favorite NON ISSUEs.... Michale..... @CW

So, we have established that "Talking Points" are a GOOD thing, right??

As to your Bush's gaffes?? I suspect that, if any of us here had their posts previewed, reviewed and gone over with a fine tooth comb by hundreds of thousands of people bent on our personal destruction, there would be a few "gaffes" to find.. This is a non-issue..

As for your "talking points", they are quite good...

Maybe now Gass will ease up on his attacks over "talking points".. It seems to be one of his favorite NON ISSUEs....

Michale.....

]]> By: Michale http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-702 Michale Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:56:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-702 @Michael Gass I am amazed at the utter hypocrisy... You slam and attack me for using "talking points".. Then yer gonna turn around and post them yourself.. Another example of the blatant hypocrisy of the hysterical and radical Left... As for the "Oil" issue, jeeze louise.. Of course it's about oil.. You try living with out ANYTHING that comes from oil for a day... THEN come bitching and moaning to me about how it's "all about oil"... Michale..... @Michael Gass

I am amazed at the utter hypocrisy...

You slam and attack me for using "talking points".. Then yer gonna turn around and post them yourself..

Another example of the blatant hypocrisy of the hysterical and radical Left...

As for the "Oil" issue, jeeze louise.. Of course it's about oil..

You try living with out ANYTHING that comes from oil for a day... THEN come bitching and moaning to me about how it's "all about oil"...

Michale.....

]]> By: Michael Gass http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-701 Michael Gass Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:08:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/index.php/2007/09/14/memo-to-democrats-talking-points/#comment-701 Chris, I agree with your hypothesis... I want to point out a few things before I give my own "talking point" for the Democrats. First; "Over time, our troops will shift from leading operations, to partnering with Iraqi forces, and eventually to overwatching those forces." Don't focus on the phrasing, but the intent; that Iraqi forces just cannot handle the job (or at least we don't believe they can) without the U.S. military to babysit. This cannot be stressed enough as it is one of the main justifications that was used to remain in Iraq; they stand up and we stand down. But, they AREN'T standing up because NOW we are going to be their babysitters even IF they stand up. Why???? Talk about insulting a nation! Second; "And we are ready to begin building that relationship — in a way that protects our interests in the region and requires many fewer American troops." Again, let's look at the INTENT of what he is saying; "protects our INTERESTS in the region". OIL. That is it. That is the crux. Our troops are going to remain in Iraq and the region to protect OIL while Bush's BUDDY gets a Kurdish oil contract. The Democrats can bludgeon this point 24/7; our troops are protecting the oil for Bush's BUDDIES to profit off of. Anyway... good post... Chris,

I agree with your hypothesis...

I want to point out a few things before I give my own "talking point" for the Democrats.

First; "Over time, our troops will shift from leading operations, to partnering with Iraqi forces, and eventually to overwatching those forces."

Don't focus on the phrasing, but the intent; that Iraqi forces just cannot handle the job (or at least we don't believe they can) without the U.S. military to babysit.

This cannot be stressed enough as it is one of the main justifications that was used to remain in Iraq; they stand up and we stand down. But, they AREN'T standing up because NOW we are going to be their babysitters even IF they stand up. Why???? Talk about insulting a nation!

Second; "And we are ready to begin building that relationship — in a way that protects our interests in the region and requires many fewer American troops."

Again, let's look at the INTENT of what he is saying; "protects our INTERESTS in the region". OIL. That is it. That is the crux. Our troops are going to remain in Iraq and the region to protect OIL while Bush's BUDDY gets a Kurdish oil contract. The Democrats can bludgeon this point 24/7; our troops are protecting the oil for Bush's BUDDIES to profit off of.

Anyway... good post...

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