You should try it some time...

It's very....... enlightening...

Michale.....

As I told one person on another blog... I never sat chatting with muslim men in jihad, so, would never have known about that provision.

That's kinda always been my beef with religions... There is an exception for every rule..

You can use the Bible (or the Quran) to justify just about anything...

@CW

I am partial to Rihannsu (Romulan) quotes myself. But they are just so damn hard to locate, so I always end up using the Klingon ones.. :D

Michale.....

The ruling on dying hair differs for men and women. For men, it is forbidden except for two occassions, which are:

1) One’s hair has turned grey at a young age in which case it is permissible to dye it to its original colour, i.e, black.

2) One’s hair has turned grey due to old age in which case it is permissible to dye it other than the colour black.

3) When one is in war in which case it is permissible to dye one’s hair black to deceive the enemy.

Which explains why I never met a muslim man in all of my time in the Middle East who dyed his beard black...

So, as much as it pains me... I'll apologize to Michale... I'm sorry I snipped at you.

heh heh.

-CW

>I mean, the statement he made about
>Islam and the beard thing did seem
>reasonable to me

The statement is reasonable. But the reasoning behind the statement is flawed and biased. Based on nothing more than an irrational and unreasonable hatred..

If a "devout muslim fundamentalist" could warp the Quran into justifying brutal and sadistic murder on a national scale, why would ANYONE expect that this same "devout muslim fundamentalist" would somehow transform into the perfect muslim when it comes to grooming?? :^/

>I can tell that Michale's a cranky old man ;)

Hay!! I resent that!!!

I am NOT old!! :D

Michale.....

I am a part of the loony left and I take great offense at your comment, "But I am certain the looney Left would prefer to believe that Bin Laden is dead and that picture is actually Cheney with a phoney beard" It is clearly Alberto Gonzales. Hello? Why do you think after going through so much without a ruffle he finally resigned? Because he had to go to Culver City studios to rehearse his new gig as Bin Laden. Michale, sometimes you just don't think do you? Cheney. Really. Everyone knows Cheney is in the U.K. planning a hit job on the new Prime Minister, uh... you know... whats his name... whatever - the Not-Blair guy.

But all jokes aside (well maybe not all but definitely some) I think you were a bit harsh with Michael Gass. I mean, the statement he made about Islam and the beard thing did seem reasonable to me even if I don't agree with the theory and if nothing else, the new information that Bin Laden may have shorn his beard just shows how loose and slippery Bin Laden is willing to play with his Islamic "ideals." In other words, he doesn't care about them one lick.

Michael Gass: I used to come here a lot and I can tell that Michale's a cranky old man ;), but a lovable one. Just throw a few Klingon quotes in his direction and he'll be your friend forever.

heh heh.

-CW

http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/07/newvideotapef_mn.jpg

You can see that his whole overall appearance is different...

There is speculation that the beard is actually a phony one and that Bin Laden is clean shaven. The theory goes that Bin Laden may be hiding in a different part of the Muslim world, where most men are clean shaven. Indonesia or the Philippines for example..

But I am certain the looney Left would prefer to believe that Bin Laden is dead and that picture is actually Cheney with a phoney beard...

Matter of fact, we haven't seen much of Cheney lately, so that is proof positive (to the looney Left, anyways) that it IS Cheney and not Bin Laden... :^/

Michale......

What's more likely here??

That there is a vast conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people in and out of government and their intention is to completely fabricate an entire war on terror??? AND NONE OF IT HAS EVER LEAKED....

Or that a single psychopath vain man has decided to enhance his youthfulness to appeal to a broader audience??

A "devout muslim fundamentalist" would not murder thousands and thousands of innocent people. The Quran specifically forbids such actions.

So, this "devout muslim fundamentalist" of yours has perverted the religion to suit his own psychopathic ends...

Does it not enter that hysterical Bush hating mind of yours that, if your "devout muslim funamentalist" can pervert THAT part of the idealogy to suit his purpose, that it's possible he would pervert OTHER parts of the idealogy to suit his own purposes...

Did THAT ever occur to you??

Of course not. It's much easier and much more pleasant for you to simply, irrationally and hysterically hate than it is to be logical and rational about things...

You have more in common with your "devout muslim fundamentalist" than you like to face up to..

You both have an irrational and hysterical hatred of anyone who disagrees with you...

Michale.....

I understand that you want to take any fact and twist it to suit you... but that dog doesn't hunt...

Your twisted pretzel logic has a devout muslim fundamentalist trying to play to a non-muslim crowd that he has no compuncture about bombing... yeah, sure, Michale...

Your twisted pretzel logic skipped right over the facts into spin mode... "he's trying to look young and vibrant"... try READING instead of the whirling-dervish routine... a devout muslim fundamentalist, Bin Laden wouldn't dye his beard to remove the grey from it. He doesn't NEED to look and vibrant. If he is dead, he becomes instant diety material for the jihadist's and if he is alive he is revered for his age, wisdom and experience.

The right to swing your arms ends where someone else's nose begins..

In this context, Noreiga's right to be a drug lord stops at the US Border...

>It's astonishing, because if you
>listen hard as you read the list
>of quotes, you can actually hear
>the heavy equipment in the background
>digging up and repositioning the goal posts.

Yea, but that repositioning is from the DEMOCRATS who went from "We need to worry about our troops!!" to "We need to worry about the Iraqi Political Situation!!!"

:D

Michale.....

Bin Laden doesn't need to worry about respect from the world's Arabs. The dying of his beard tells me that Bin Laden is playing to the western audience...

Ya know, not EVERYTHING bad and evil can be laid at the feet of President Bush and the GOP...

Michale.....

If I can add another ... for you:

- Keith Olbermann did a quick story about how Bin Laden was supposedly going to issue another tape next week (9/11 anniversary week)... and he even had a 2004 photo of Bin Laden and beside it a 2007 photo of Bin Laden.

There is only one problem

In the 2007 photo "Bin Laden" had a black beard and in the 2004 photo he had a greying beard. This is VERY significant.

In the Middle East, age denotes a position of respect. Muslim men, as they get older, flaunt their gray beards... and they wouldn't dye them to look younger since youth doesn't carry with it the same automatic respect factor. Hence... take a guess if the photo is real or not.

You can verify this Here:

"Middle-Eastern culture ensures respect for the elderly and values highly the natural bonds of affection between all members of the family. The eldest members are a source of spiritual blessing, religious faith, wisdom and love."

and here

"Always remember that elders are held in high esteem in Arab culture and are treated with the utmost respect."